I checked with a Jewish Spurs supporter this evening what he thought

He wasn't aware of any gas chamber songs.

He said that first of all why don't people get that Jews come in many types, just like Christians. So the radical types may see things very differently from others.

But he reckons at best all the Jewish supporters just about tolerate the Yid songs. Probably the same as our gay supporters. Not happy and don't get involved. He says why go there when you know it's going to upset people.

Let's face it, the word is intended to be pejorative in most usage. I remember as a kid people talking very nastily about 'front wheelers'.

Don't know why their own fans don't get that. Not celebrating their Jewish supporters, just annoying them.

The term "yid" is offensive to most Jewish people. And why shouldn't it be? As I pointed out earlier, it was the derogatory term used by Mosley's fascists to refer to Jews. To the average Jewish person,it is equivalent to a South Londoner being called a " South London bas.ard"

That's not to go OTT about the context in which Spurs fans use it...but those who mock being "politically correct" might want to give that a quick thought...Personally, did I get deeply worked up from Palace fans on the train from Seven Sisters to WHL last week singing about how they had foreskins...no...

In answer to Seth's post responding to my earlier one, asking about re I'm Jewish and not a Zionist, yes, I think the best long term ideal outcome is a secular democratic state in what was British mandate Palestine...but in the short term,given realities, a 2 state solution is more practical and feasible...

...and I don't, like Zionists, think the solution to a thousand years of persecution, massacres and generally being stitched up as fall guys in large parts of Europe was to set up a jewish state in/within mandate Palestine...(and by the way, that is what Zionism is, not just an extended sized state)but, I don't demonise those who did and if I was from the generation in 1940's who had just seen 6 million of their communities gassed etc, I might well have felt exactly like them...so to demonise those Zionists is to miss what the real causal factor was...but that was hardly the Palestinian Christians' and muslims' and jews' fault..and I don't fall for the con that groups like Hamas have any interest in anything other than imposing their own strict one religion state...indeed one likely to be somewhat less democratic than Israel(an that's tasking on board all its faults)...

Been to the gym if thats OK.Anyway Ive always enjoyed winding up people like you.Reminds me of my days at Reading University when we use to travel out to Greenham Common to taunt the verminous lesbians who were posing as CND peace women.Ah happy days and a much worthier foe than the pair of you.....

Sad w****r

Do you want to man up and say that to my face,man to man?

I am 50 but still the scourge of the left!Problem with people like Syd n Seth(sounds like a lovely couple!)is that cant see a wind up.Im quite happy to say the most extreme things to get them wetting the bed tonight!Im still on the right and make no apologies for that.

You lot dont like a few home truths do you?Once your arguments and brittle humour fall apart Im a w#####r,nutjob etc.Make your own mind up about things rather than following the herd and get a sense of humour.Anyway isnt it about time you started a thread about more muslims at Palace-maybe a reading of the Koran at half time rather than the Crystals!

Janitor or gardener?