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Any response to my reply to your original post Nick? Like I say, it's easy to slam the Tories for the cuts but a bit more difficult to have a feasible solution.
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Stuk Top half 21 May 13 6.46pm | |
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This is just embarrassing from Gusset! Your cut and pastes are getting worse. Oh and what is the solution to austerity then? Spend and borrow even more money we dont have? I see the socialist Hollande doing well with France's economy...
What is your solution? A hypothetical idea-sorry if it is a bit simplistic... Currently the rate of interest for the government to borrow on a 15 year loan is 2.43%. Therefore, it would cost the government £24.3 million a year in repayments if it borrowed £1bn. In the north west, new homes for social housing cost about £120,000 to build. With £1bn you could build 8,330 houses. If the rent for each house was set at about £5,500 a year (affordable) then the total income would be £45.8m per year, a surplus of £21.5m on the repayments. Over 15 years, this would amount to a surplus of around £322m. Of course you have to take inflation into account, say 2% a year - the £1bn would devalue by 2% a year meaning after 15 years the original loan of £1bn would actually be worth about 30% less than it is today. So we would repay the equivalent of about £666m. Of course people are needed to build the houses, this will take people off of benefits, If the average amount of benefits is £100 a week (jsa and housing benefit) it amounts to £5200 a year. If the same person were to earn an average wage of £22k a year building the houses, then they would pay around £3500 Tax and NI a year. So the public purse will make a gain of about £8700 a year from that person who is not receiving benefit and paying taxes. Multiply this by the number of people taken off benefits to build the houses (say 500 for arguments sake) and you now have £4.35m a year into the public purse. Of course with more money, these people will buy more goods and services which means more tax paid. Additionally, you would have companies supplying the goods and contracts to build the houses, their profits would increase with additional corporation tax to pay. So not only do we get people off of benefits and into work, we save on benefits and generate more tax but we also go some way to solving the housing crisis, especially if this model is repeated around the country. I like this, it shows you are coming up with solutions here. Flaws for me are... The key is how do you persuade somebody to come off welfare to build the houses if their income from benefits is enough for them to sit on the sofa instead of lumbering bricks about? Therefore, you would have to agree with the reforming of benefits (ie cutting it to those who are fit to work) in order to incentivise them to do it. I'd stay on my sofa! What if you can't persuade these guys to work, then your whole idea is screwed. The construction of houses IS a good way of getting the economy moving. Currently the government are right to adopt a few schemes that helps people fund deposits which ensures new builds are actually completed and they can build more. The trickle down effect of new construction is very, very good for the economy. This way, the govt only has to fund 20% of mortgage deposits, while your scheme has them funding 100% of it which means far less houses being built. So this is one scheme that would work for Osbourne if done effectively. PS This govt money to build the homes has been largely made up from 'evil' corporations.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 May 13 7.14pm | |
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Quote Penge Eagle at 16 May 2013 1.01am
This is just embarrassing from Gusset! Your cut and pastes are getting worse. Oh and what is the solution to austerity then? Spend and borrow even more money we dont have? I see the socialist Hollande doing well with France's economy...
What is your solution? A hypothetical idea-sorry if it is a bit simplistic... Currently the rate of interest for the government to borrow on a 15 year loan is 2.43%. Therefore, it would cost the government £24.3 million a year in repayments if it borrowed £1bn. In the north west, new homes for social housing cost about £120,000 to build. With £1bn you could build 8,330 houses. If the rent for each house was set at about £5,500 a year (affordable) then the total income would be £45.8m per year, a surplus of £21.5m on the repayments. Over 15 years, this would amount to a surplus of around £322m. Of course you have to take inflation into account, say 2% a year - the £1bn would devalue by 2% a year meaning after 15 years the original loan of £1bn would actually be worth about 30% less than it is today. So we would repay the equivalent of about £666m. Of course people are needed to build the houses, this will take people off of benefits, If the average amount of benefits is £100 a week (jsa and housing benefit) it amounts to £5200 a year. If the same person were to earn an average wage of £22k a year building the houses, then they would pay around £3500 Tax and NI a year. So the public purse will make a gain of about £8700 a year from that person who is not receiving benefit and paying taxes. Multiply this by the number of people taken off benefits to build the houses (say 500 for arguments sake) and you now have £4.35m a year into the public purse. Of course with more money, these people will buy more goods and services which means more tax paid. Additionally, you would have companies supplying the goods and contracts to build the houses, their profits would increase with additional corporation tax to pay. So not only do we get people off of benefits and into work, we save on benefits and generate more tax but we also go some way to solving the housing crisis, especially if this model is repeated around the country. I like this, it shows you are coming up with solutions here. Flaws for me are... The key is how do you persuade somebody to come off welfare to build the houses if their income from benefits is enough for them to sit on the sofa instead of lumbering bricks about? Therefore, you would have to agree with the reforming of benefits (ie cutting it to those who are fit to work) in order to incentivise them to do it. I'd stay on my sofa! What if you can't persuade these guys to work, then your whole idea is screwed. The construction of houses IS a good way of getting the economy moving. Currently the government are right to adopt a few schemes that helps people fund deposits which ensures new builds are actually completed and they can build more. The trickle down effect of new construction is very, very good for the economy. This way, the govt only has to fund 20% of mortgage deposits, while your scheme has them funding 100% of it which means far less houses being built. So this is one scheme that would work for Osbourne if done effectively. PS This govt money to build the homes has been largely made up from 'evil' corporations.
How would you tweak it then?
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chris123 hove actually 21 May 13 7.55pm | |
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This is just embarrassing from Gusset! Your cut and pastes are getting worse. Oh and what is the solution to austerity then? Spend and borrow even more money we dont have? I see the socialist Hollande doing well with France's economy...
What is your solution? A hypothetical idea-sorry if it is a bit simplistic... Currently the rate of interest for the government to borrow on a 15 year loan is 2.43%. Therefore, it would cost the government £24.3 million a year in repayments if it borrowed £1bn. In the north west, new homes for social housing cost about £120,000 to build. With £1bn you could build 8,330 houses. If the rent for each house was set at about £5,500 a year (affordable) then the total income would be £45.8m per year, a surplus of £21.5m on the repayments. Over 15 years, this would amount to a surplus of around £322m. Of course you have to take inflation into account, say 2% a year - the £1bn would devalue by 2% a year meaning after 15 years the original loan of £1bn would actually be worth about 30% less than it is today. So we would repay the equivalent of about £666m. Of course people are needed to build the houses, this will take people off of benefits, If the average amount of benefits is £100 a week (jsa and housing benefit) it amounts to £5200 a year. If the same person were to earn an average wage of £22k a year building the houses, then they would pay around £3500 Tax and NI a year. So the public purse will make a gain of about £8700 a year from that person who is not receiving benefit and paying taxes. Multiply this by the number of people taken off benefits to build the houses (say 500 for arguments sake) and you now have £4.35m a year into the public purse. Of course with more money, these people will buy more goods and services which means more tax paid. Additionally, you would have companies supplying the goods and contracts to build the houses, their profits would increase with additional corporation tax to pay. So not only do we get people off of benefits and into work, we save on benefits and generate more tax but we also go some way to solving the housing crisis, especially if this model is repeated around the country. I like this, it shows you are coming up with solutions here. Flaws for me are... The key is how do you persuade somebody to come off welfare to build the houses if their income from benefits is enough for them to sit on the sofa instead of lumbering bricks about? Therefore, you would have to agree with the reforming of benefits (ie cutting it to those who are fit to work) in order to incentivise them to do it. I'd stay on my sofa! What if you can't persuade these guys to work, then your whole idea is screwed. The construction of houses IS a good way of getting the economy moving. Currently the government are right to adopt a few schemes that helps people fund deposits which ensures new builds are actually completed and they can build more. The trickle down effect of new construction is very, very good for the economy. This way, the govt only has to fund 20% of mortgage deposits, while your scheme has them funding 100% of it which means far less houses being built. So this is one scheme that would work for Osbourne if done effectively. PS This govt money to build the homes has been largely made up from 'evil' corporations.
How would you tweak it then?
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Stuk Top half 21 May 13 9.49pm | |
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Quote chris123 at 21 May 2013 7.55pm
Quote nickgusset at 21 May 2013 7.14pm
Quote Stuk at 21 May 2013 6.46pm
Quote Penge Eagle at 17 May 2013 10.47am
Quote nickgusset at 16 May 2013 5.23pm
Quote Penge Eagle at 16 May 2013 11.09am
Quote nickgusset at 16 May 2013 6.26am
Quote Penge Eagle at 16 May 2013 1.01am
This is just embarrassing from Gusset! Your cut and pastes are getting worse. Oh and what is the solution to austerity then? Spend and borrow even more money we dont have? I see the socialist Hollande doing well with France's economy...
What is your solution? A hypothetical idea-sorry if it is a bit simplistic... Currently the rate of interest for the government to borrow on a 15 year loan is 2.43%. Therefore, it would cost the government £24.3 million a year in repayments if it borrowed £1bn. In the north west, new homes for social housing cost about £120,000 to build. With £1bn you could build 8,330 houses. If the rent for each house was set at about £5,500 a year (affordable) then the total income would be £45.8m per year, a surplus of £21.5m on the repayments. Over 15 years, this would amount to a surplus of around £322m. Of course you have to take inflation into account, say 2% a year - the £1bn would devalue by 2% a year meaning after 15 years the original loan of £1bn would actually be worth about 30% less than it is today. So we would repay the equivalent of about £666m. Of course people are needed to build the houses, this will take people off of benefits, If the average amount of benefits is £100 a week (jsa and housing benefit) it amounts to £5200 a year. If the same person were to earn an average wage of £22k a year building the houses, then they would pay around £3500 Tax and NI a year. So the public purse will make a gain of about £8700 a year from that person who is not receiving benefit and paying taxes. Multiply this by the number of people taken off benefits to build the houses (say 500 for arguments sake) and you now have £4.35m a year into the public purse. Of course with more money, these people will buy more goods and services which means more tax paid. Additionally, you would have companies supplying the goods and contracts to build the houses, their profits would increase with additional corporation tax to pay. So not only do we get people off of benefits and into work, we save on benefits and generate more tax but we also go some way to solving the housing crisis, especially if this model is repeated around the country. I like this, it shows you are coming up with solutions here. Flaws for me are... The key is how do you persuade somebody to come off welfare to build the houses if their income from benefits is enough for them to sit on the sofa instead of lumbering bricks about? Therefore, you would have to agree with the reforming of benefits (ie cutting it to those who are fit to work) in order to incentivise them to do it. I'd stay on my sofa! What if you can't persuade these guys to work, then your whole idea is screwed. The construction of houses IS a good way of getting the economy moving. Currently the government are right to adopt a few schemes that helps people fund deposits which ensures new builds are actually completed and they can build more. The trickle down effect of new construction is very, very good for the economy. This way, the govt only has to fund 20% of mortgage deposits, while your scheme has them funding 100% of it which means far less houses being built. So this is one scheme that would work for Osbourne if done effectively. PS This govt money to build the homes has been largely made up from 'evil' corporations.
How would you tweak it then?
Exactly. Which, sadly nick, then throws all your figures out of the window. You haven't paid back the billion. Not too mention you haven't accounted for planning costs, infrastructure etc and have based all the income on being private tenants and a rental only scheme.
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 21 May 13 9.55pm | |
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Typical of Nick and all the reading he does from left wing propaganda - no economic solutions! Easy to bleat on about cuts and evil corporations though.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 May 13 10.48pm | |
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Quote Stuk at 21 May 2013 9.49pm
Quote chris123 at 21 May 2013 7.55pm
Quote nickgusset at 21 May 2013 7.14pm
Quote Stuk at 21 May 2013 6.46pm
Quote Penge Eagle at 17 May 2013 10.47am
Quote nickgusset at 16 May 2013 5.23pm
Quote Penge Eagle at 16 May 2013 11.09am
Quote nickgusset at 16 May 2013 6.26am
Quote Penge Eagle at 16 May 2013 1.01am
This is just embarrassing from Gusset! Your cut and pastes are getting worse. Oh and what is the solution to austerity then? Spend and borrow even more money we dont have? I see the socialist Hollande doing well with France's economy...
What is your solution? A hypothetical idea-sorry if it is a bit simplistic... Currently the rate of interest for the government to borrow on a 15 year loan is 2.43%. Therefore, it would cost the government £24.3 million a year in repayments if it borrowed £1bn. In the north west, new homes for social housing cost about £120,000 to build. With £1bn you could build 8,330 houses. If the rent for each house was set at about £5,500 a year (affordable) then the total income would be £45.8m per year, a surplus of £21.5m on the repayments. Over 15 years, this would amount to a surplus of around £322m. Of course you have to take inflation into account, say 2% a year - the £1bn would devalue by 2% a year meaning after 15 years the original loan of £1bn would actually be worth about 30% less than it is today. So we would repay the equivalent of about £666m. Of course people are needed to build the houses, this will take people off of benefits, If the average amount of benefits is £100 a week (jsa and housing benefit) it amounts to £5200 a year. If the same person were to earn an average wage of £22k a year building the houses, then they would pay around £3500 Tax and NI a year. So the public purse will make a gain of about £8700 a year from that person who is not receiving benefit and paying taxes. Multiply this by the number of people taken off benefits to build the houses (say 500 for arguments sake) and you now have £4.35m a year into the public purse. Of course with more money, these people will buy more goods and services which means more tax paid. Additionally, you would have companies supplying the goods and contracts to build the houses, their profits would increase with additional corporation tax to pay. So not only do we get people off of benefits and into work, we save on benefits and generate more tax but we also go some way to solving the housing crisis, especially if this model is repeated around the country. I like this, it shows you are coming up with solutions here. Flaws for me are... The key is how do you persuade somebody to come off welfare to build the houses if their income from benefits is enough for them to sit on the sofa instead of lumbering bricks about? Therefore, you would have to agree with the reforming of benefits (ie cutting it to those who are fit to work) in order to incentivise them to do it. I'd stay on my sofa! What if you can't persuade these guys to work, then your whole idea is screwed. The construction of houses IS a good way of getting the economy moving. Currently the government are right to adopt a few schemes that helps people fund deposits which ensures new builds are actually completed and they can build more. The trickle down effect of new construction is very, very good for the economy. This way, the govt only has to fund 20% of mortgage deposits, while your scheme has them funding 100% of it which means far less houses being built. So this is one scheme that would work for Osbourne if done effectively. PS This govt money to build the homes has been largely made up from 'evil' corporations.
How would you tweak it then?
Exactly. Which, sadly nick, then throws all your figures out of the window. You haven't paid back the billion. Not too mention you haven't accounted for planning costs, infrastructure etc and have based all the income on being private tenants and a rental only scheme. But are the government still not borrowing more than a couple of years ago? Where is that money going? That will still need to be paid back. At least if we borrowed to invest we'd get a return. On the subject of house sales and the economy, I read today that house prices and sales activity are rising. However I also read that although it is due to Osborne's intervention, he may be just creating an asset 'bubble' just in time for the next election. Remember when Lawson pre-announced the end of double MIRAS it ‘bore fruit’ in the short term but then triggered a crash. Is Osborne just bringing forward demand in the same way?
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 May 13 10.20pm | |
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Any response to my reply to your original post Nick? Like I say, it's easy to slam the Tories for the cuts but a bit more difficult to have a feasible solution.
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...and is on it's way down again after fears that the u.s are going to cut back on quantitive easing.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 May 13 1.33am | |
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Any response to my reply to your original post Nick? Like I say, it's easy to slam the Tories for the cuts but a bit more difficult to have a feasible solution.
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...and is on it's way down again after fears that the u.s are going to cut back on quantitive easing.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Jul 14 9.58pm | |
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Austerity is working- debt's up and the deficit is growing again... Keep up the good work George.
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BobRoberts Croydon 10 Jul 14 10.10pm | |
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Nick, I really hope you don't teach economics. You should try to understand the difference between trade deficits, government deficits and government debts. I expect we are importing more as the economy is growing.
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matt_himself Matataland 10 Jul 14 10.10pm | |
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Quote nickgusset at 10 Jul 2014 9.58pm
Austerity is working- debt's up and the deficit is growing again... Keep up the good work George.
You don't know the difference between the trade deficit and the budget deficit!!! You spout all this stuff and haven't got a clue what you are talking about. You didn't know the difference between deficit reduction and debt reduction and now this. May I suggest that you try understanding what you are banging on about before you post it here?
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