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Teddy Eagle 03 Aug 24 10.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No better than you don’t! That’s why there was “probably”. It’s an opinion. However that it’s an excuse is pretty obviously true. You can make a case that they were acting on misinformation but not excuse the actions. No, the probably indicated it might not have happened now not that it wasn't inevitable.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Aug 24 10.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Is at best an opinion. One I doubt is shared very widely. Which is my opinion! Just repeating myself. No idea why really.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 03 Aug 24 10.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
just to jog your highly selective memory...... A dozen people at a Taylor Swift Dance party. Another Bloodbath in our towns & cities. When it happens again, again, and thrice again...its not a coincidence, not unlucky, not random mental illness....its an invasion.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Aug 24 11.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
I am sure you are aware of the sentiment of 'Riding the Tiger' and I think that is the wisest course of action. The sheer and unbridled two-tier policing that is now clearly national policy is just there on display for anybody to see. As things stand, we cannot win on the streets. All the violence does is allow more and more draconian measures to be arrayed against us and in our disproportionate legal system, then that hits us far, far harder. As it is meant to. Suspect this will not resolve itself in my life-time but key now is about legacy. Along with a more immediate choice of how we live our lives. All I want people to do is think about their spending choices. Be it as simple as trying to only buy takeaways from European owned business to holidays in European countries with some exceptions but always with the consideration in mind around am I funding those who hate me? It's something everybody can do and for which there is no downside. I don’t often reply to you because, despite your politics being diametrically opposed to mine, you don’t indulge in spurious insults and express yourself with clarity and reason. I must though take up you stating, as though it is a fact, that we have an “unbridled two-tier policing system”. This is a claim now being promoted as the unchallengeable truth by many on the right, including here and by those rioting. I don’t think it’s true at all. The police’s primary duty is to maintain public order and keep the peace. How any commander decides to do that it any operational situation will vary. There’s not a set of rules. Nor is there a duty to ensure every group or protest is handled in the same way. To maintain order may demand different strategies in different circumstances. Handling a group of beered up latter day football hooligans determined to confront them, and anyone they don’t like, will require a different approach to a group of sober, but passionate, activists protesting about almost any cause. Those who noisily demonstrate for causes like Palestine, climate change action or even to counter anti-immigration sentiments, are not so likely to be full of out of control drunks. They might get some elements that cause problems and create bad publicity but I suspect they are much easier to police and control. It’s this that sets them apart. How will the police decide to best maintain public order. Do they need to adopt a softly softly approach or aggressive restraint? Not a “two-tier” policy.
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Teddy Eagle 03 Aug 24 11.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don’t often reply to you because, despite your politics being diametrically opposed to mine, you don’t indulge in spurious insults and express yourself with clarity and reason. I must though take up you stating, as though it is a fact, that we have an “unbridled two-tier policing system”. This is a claim now being promoted as the unchallengeable truth by many on the right, including here and by those rioting. I don’t think it’s true at all. The police’s primary duty is to maintain public order and keep the peace. How any commander decides to do that it any operational situation will vary. There’s not a set of rules. Nor is there a duty to ensure every group or protest is handled in the same way. To maintain order may demand different strategies in different circumstances. Handling a group of beered up latter day football hooligans determined to confront them, and anyone they don’t like, will require a different approach to a group of sober, but passionate, activists protesting about almost any cause. Those who noisily demonstrate for causes like Palestine, climate change action or even to counter anti-immigration sentiments, are not so likely to be full of out of control drunks. They might get some elements that cause problems and create bad publicity but I suspect they are much easier to police and control. It’s this that sets them apart. How will the police decide to best maintain public order. Do they need to adopt a softly softly approach or aggressive restraint? Not a “two-tier” policy. Wasn't two-tier policing the primary objection of the Refund the Police movement?
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Teddy Eagle 03 Aug 24 11.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Wasn't two-tier policing the primary objection of the Defund the Police movement?
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Aug 24 11.26pm | |
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Is this a wind up?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Aug 24 11.27pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
just to jog your highly selective memory...... A dozen people at a Taylor Swift Dance party. Another Bloodbath in our towns & cities. When it happens again, again, and thrice again...its not a coincidence, not unlucky, not random mental illness....its an invasion. It’s your memory that is faulty. That the dance party atrocity only happened last Monday makes that inexcusable. We don’t know anything about why the accused did what he apparently did. All that exists are assumptions, many of which have been founded on misinformation. The subsequent rioting makes no sense at all, other than as an excuse by boneheads inspired by internet rumours and encouragement to go and cause chaos,. They deserve all they will get. The idea that we have been invaded is the kind of stupid nonsense that these nutcases use to try to justify their behaviour. Anyone spreading it is as culpable as they are.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Aug 24 11.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It was a long time ago but I didn’t recall that as an objective. Seems my memory is correct:- Still daft though.
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Teddy Eagle 03 Aug 24 11.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It was a long time ago but I didn’t recall that as an objective. Seems my memory is correct:- Still daft though. Not that structural racism meant different standards of policing then.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Aug 24 11.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Not that structural racism meant different standards of policing then. Institutional racism I think.
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Teddy Eagle 03 Aug 24 11.58pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Institutional racism I think. Or is it systemic racism?
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