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Stirlingsays 09 May 23 11.14pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Whilst I don’t have the skills, or time to do this it seems others have at least the time. Judge for yourself if they have the skills. There are more where these come from. These are simply samples:- [Link] [Link] Enjoy! Both are just different interpretations of studies he has featured. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 May 23 11.14pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whilst I don’t have the skills, or time to do this it seems others have at least the time. Judge for yourself if they have the skills. There are more where these come from. These are simply samples:-

[Link]

Enjoy!

Both are just different interpretations of studies he has featured.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 May 23 11.21pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Both are just different interpretations of studies he has featured. Untrue. They debunk what he claimed. They don’t simply offer an alternative view. I edited my post to add another video. You cannot yet have watched the first because you have responded too quickly. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 09 May 23 11.21pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Both are just different interpretations of studies he has featured.

Untrue.

They debunk what he claimed. They don’t simply offer an alternative view.

I edited my post to add another video. You cannot yet have watched the first because you have responded too quickly.

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Stirlingsays 09 May 23 11.26pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Untrue. They debunk what he claimed. They don’t simply offer an alternative view. I edited my post to add another video. You cannot yet have watched the first because you have responded too quickly. No they don't, ultimately these conclusions are different interpretations. I read the first link and read comments of the second video and watched about five minutes of it. More than you apparently. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 May 2023 11.27pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 May 23 11.26pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Untrue.

They debunk what he claimed. They don’t simply offer an alternative view.

I edited my post to add another video. You cannot yet have watched the first because you have responded too quickly.

No they don't, ultimately these conclusions are different interpretations.

I read the first link and read comments of the second video and watched about five minutes of it.

More than you apparently.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 May 2023 11.27pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 May 23 11.29pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Both are just different interpretations of studies he has featured. Here is another from someone whose opening remarks appear to show an attitude very similar to my own. This is completely new to me but very reassuring:- [Link] I am only a few minutes in but it’s revealing. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 09 May 23 11.29pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Both are just different interpretations of studies he has featured.

Here is another from someone whose opening remarks appear to show an attitude very similar to my own. This is completely new to me but very reassuring:-

[Link]

I am only a few minutes in but it’s revealing.

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Stirlingsays 09 May 23 11.34pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Here is another from someone whose opening remarks appear to show an attitude very similar to my own. This is completely new to me but very reassuring:- [Link] I am only a few minutes in but it’s revealing. A Breadtube vlogger with attitudes similar to your own. I'm shocked....would never have seen that one coming. Enjoy....the revolution. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 May 23 11.34pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Here is another from someone whose opening remarks appear to show an attitude very similar to my own. This is completely new to me but very reassuring:-

[Link]

I am only a few minutes in but it’s revealing.

A Breadtube vlogger with attitudes similar to your own.

I'm shocked....would never have seen that one coming.

Enjoy....the revolution.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 May 23 8.53am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Not everyone thinks like a marketing manager or landlord you know. It seems to have escaped your notice that Campbell gained this audience while advocating for the vulnerable taking the vaccines....which I repeat, he did himself. In fact by investigating and questioning now he risks being banned off of Youtube and losing this money which you seem to think motivates him....He had a strike last week, which took him off the platform for a week. I repeat, you have absolutely no evidence for your opinions, which I suggest are quite nasty and unfounded. It hasn't escaped my notice at all! I have referred to it several times. What I also refer to, but you seem determined to ignore, is how he has changed tack and now posts things which support the anti-vax conspiracy theorists. I didn't know YouTube had taken action on him, so thanks for that. It's reassuring and may assist in ensuring he thinks harder about what and how he presents. I am pleased to see YouTube acting responsibly. My opinions have been based on instinct and common sense, but as I look deeper the evidence is emerging to support that. Evidence that others more qualified than either of us have the same kind of doubts that I do. Is Campbell guilty of posting misinformation? If that was being tried by a jury then I believe that they would find he was, beyond any reasonable doubt. If you were on the jury the judge would have to direct they return a majority verdict for sure. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 10 May 23 8.53am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Not everyone thinks like a marketing manager or landlord you know.

It seems to have escaped your notice that Campbell gained this audience while advocating for the vulnerable taking the vaccines....which I repeat, he did himself.

In fact by investigating and questioning now he risks being banned off of Youtube and losing this money which you seem to think motivates him....He had a strike last week, which took him off the platform for a week.

I repeat, you have absolutely no evidence for your opinions, which I suggest are quite nasty and unfounded.

It hasn't escaped my notice at all! I have referred to it several times. What I also refer to, but you seem determined to ignore, is how he has changed tack and now posts things which support the anti-vax conspiracy theorists.

I didn't know YouTube had taken action on him, so thanks for that. It's reassuring and may assist in ensuring he thinks harder about what and how he presents. I am pleased to see YouTube acting responsibly.

My opinions have been based on instinct and common sense, but as I look deeper the evidence is emerging to support that. Evidence that others more qualified than either of us have the same kind of doubts that I do.

Is Campbell guilty of posting misinformation? If that was being tried by a jury then I believe that they would find he was, beyond any reasonable doubt. If you were on the jury the judge would have to direct they return a majority verdict for sure.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 May 23 9.26am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays A Breadtube vlogger with attitudes similar to your own. I'm shocked....would never have seen that one coming. Enjoy....the revolution. I'm not shocked. It's your standard practice when faced with criticism you cannot answer, to attack the critic and not the criticism. I have no interest in the guy's politics. I am interested in what he has to say, whether it makes sense and if he is qualified to say it. I am only interested in why he might say it if there is money involved, which with the number of subscribers to the channel there certainly isn't. I hadn't had an opportunity to do any kind of due diligence on the two critics I referenced. I just thought their analyses were fair, logical and compelling. They appear to be concerned with the spread of misinformation and those who make money from it. I now have spent a few minutes researching them. They are nothing like as well known as Dr Campbell and almost certainly not as wealthy, but they do hold qualifications which enable them to make informed judgements on what he says about Covid. Dr Dan Wilson does have a Wiki page:- [Link] Dr Susan Oliver holds a Phd in nanomedicine and works at the University of New South Wales. Spreading misinformation by confirming people's biases is not raising legitimate questions that will deepen our knowledge and enable better responses. It causes doubts and creates resistance. and is a curse of the internet age. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 10 May 23 9.26am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A Breadtube vlogger with attitudes similar to your own.

I'm shocked....would never have seen that one coming.

Enjoy....the revolution.

I'm not shocked. It's your standard practice when faced with criticism you cannot answer, to attack the critic and not the criticism.

I have no interest in the guy's politics. I am interested in what he has to say, whether it makes sense and if he is qualified to say it. I am only interested in why he might say it if there is money involved, which with the number of subscribers to the channel there certainly isn't.

I hadn't had an opportunity to do any kind of due diligence on the two critics I referenced. I just thought their analyses were fair, logical and compelling. They appear to be concerned with the spread of misinformation and those who make money from it. I now have spent a few minutes researching them. They are nothing like as well known as Dr Campbell and almost certainly not as wealthy, but they do hold qualifications which enable them to make informed judgements on what he says about Covid.

Dr Dan Wilson does have a Wiki page:-

[Link]

Dr Susan Oliver holds a Phd in nanomedicine and works at the University of New South Wales.

Spreading misinformation by confirming people's biases is not raising legitimate questions that will deepen our knowledge and enable better responses. It causes doubts and creates resistance. and is a curse of the internet age.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 10 May 23 2.50pm
Well Wisbech, we will see whose view on this pans out won't we. Let's just say that Campbell has a lot of money stacked against him. I just hope you're around to see that people like Campbell had legitimate concerns and that those who looked to silence them have been on the wrong side of history....as your political compatriots like to say. Not that I'm saying that Campbell advised adults not to take vaccines, because he did not do that, but it's interesting that amongst the largest percentages for groups who didn't take covid vaccines were those with Phds. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2023 2.54pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 May 23 2.50pm

Well Wisbech, we will see whose view on this pans out won't we. Let's just say that Campbell has a lot of money stacked against him.

I just hope you're around to see that people like Campbell had legitimate concerns and that those who looked to silence them have been on the wrong side of history....as your political compatriots like to say.

Not that I'm saying that Campbell advised adults not to take vaccines, because he did not do that, but it's interesting that amongst the largest percentages for groups who didn't take covid vaccines were those with Phds.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2023 2.54pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 May 23 5.17pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well Wisbech, we will see whose view on this pans out won't we. Let's just say that Campbell has a lot of money stacked against him. I just hope you're around to see that people like Campbell had legitimate concerns and that those who looked to silence them have been on the wrong side of history....as your political compatriots like to say. Not that I'm saying that Campbell advised adults not to take vaccines, because he did not do that, but it's interesting that amongst the largest percentages for groups who didn't take covid vaccines were those with Phds. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2023 2.54pm) As you are a precise fit for his target subscriber it's completely unsurprising that you are unable to be objective and rational about what is now being done by the likes of Campbell. I don't so much think he is very clever to have found this money tree as incredibly lucky. You make the kind of claims that he does. No one is trying to silence him. All they want to do is point out his mistakes and ask that he corrects them, or that YouTube removes them. So long as he doesn't post misinformation there's no issue. Your problem is that you are unable to accept when something is disinformation. You want every opinion to carry the same value, but it just doesn't work like that. There are those who know and are prepared to have their knowledge peer-reviewed before publication, and those who think they know, but publish anyway. Where does the statistic about Phd holders come from? It sounds apocryphal to me, so let's check its authenticity. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 10 May 23 5.17pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well Wisbech, we will see whose view on this pans out won't we. Let's just say that Campbell has a lot of money stacked against him.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2023 2.54pm)

As you are a precise fit for his target subscriber it's completely unsurprising that you are unable to be objective and rational about what is now being done by the likes of Campbell.

I don't so much think he is very clever to have found this money tree as incredibly lucky.

You make the kind of claims that he does. No one is trying to silence him. All they want to do is point out his mistakes and ask that he corrects them, or that YouTube removes them. So long as he doesn't post misinformation there's no issue.

Your problem is that you are unable to accept when something is disinformation. You want every opinion to carry the same value, but it just doesn't work like that. There are those who know and are prepared to have their knowledge peer-reviewed before publication, and those who think they know, but publish anyway.

Where does the statistic about Phd holders come from? It sounds apocryphal to me, so let's check its authenticity.

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Stirlingsays 10 May 23 5.35pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Where does the statistic about Phd holders come from? It sounds apocryphal to me, so let's check its authenticity. It's from a study that the Mail and others reported on back in 21. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 May 23 5.35pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Where does the statistic about Phd holders come from? It sounds apocryphal to me, so let's check its authenticity.

It's from a study that the Mail and others reported on back in 21.

[Link]

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 May 23 8.36pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's from a study that the Mail and others reported on back in 21. [Link] It's worthy of further investigation, but on its own is not worth a lot. Firstly, the "survey" was only in the USA, which you didn't mention. Secondly, it asked respondents to self-identify, so there is no verification that the claimed status is real. Just as with the "Great Barrier Declaration" being signed by self-certifying scientists. Thirdly, there was no attempt made to try to discover the reason for the result. Fourthly, has been no peer review. Until today I had not heard of Carnegie Mellon University, but today it features twice in this thread. It was responsible, together with Pittsburgh, for this study and it was where Dr Dan Wilson attained his Phd. Co-incidence? Probably but it raised my eyebrows. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 10 May 23 8.36pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's from a study that the Mail and others reported on back in 21.

[Link]

It's worthy of further investigation, but on its own is not worth a lot. Firstly, the "survey" was only in the USA, which you didn't mention. Secondly, it asked respondents to self-identify, so there is no verification that the claimed status is real. Just as with the "Great Barrier Declaration" being signed by self-certifying scientists. Thirdly, there was no attempt made to try to discover the reason for the result. Fourthly, has been no peer review.

Until today I had not heard of Carnegie Mellon University, but today it features twice in this thread. It was responsible, together with Pittsburgh, for this study and it was where Dr Dan Wilson attained his Phd. Co-incidence? Probably but it raised my eyebrows.

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Teddy Eagle 10 May 23 8.47pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It's worthy of further investigation, but on its own is not worth a lot. Firstly, the "survey" was only in the USA, which you didn't mention. Secondly, it asked respondents to self-identify, so there is no verification that the claimed status is real. Just as with the "Great Barrier Declaration" being signed by self-certifying scientists. Thirdly, there was no attempt made to try to discover the reason for the result. Fourthly, has been no peer review. Until today I had not heard of Carnegie Mellon University, but today it features twice in this thread. It was responsible, together with Pittsburgh, for this study and it was where Dr Dan Wilson attained his Phd. Co-incidence? Probably but it raised my eyebrows. Carnegie Mellon is ranked #28 in the TES world university rankings for the year. Interesting that you're prepared to accept self identification for gender but not educational status.
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10 May 23 8.47pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Carnegie Mellon is ranked #28 in the TES world university rankings for the year.
Interesting that you're prepared to accept self identification for gender but not educational status.

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