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Mapletree Flag Croydon 07 Dec 17 11.16pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ultra right? What ultra right? Ridiculous

And to think you criticised me for misrepresentation. There was no Brexit last time and you supported independence and then claimed it was a joke and now this!

BS words to allow you to support independence.

That is sophistry clear for everyone to see.

Well, matey this country don't need 'patriots' who view nationhood as purely a matter of fiscal success or not.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Dec 2017 6.18pm)

Well, that gets rid of all the Chief Executives I have ever known then.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 07 Dec 17 11.21pm

Is all American politics like this?

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kenbarr Flag Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 08 Dec 17 1.56am Send a Private Message to kenbarr Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add kenbarr as a friend

I would warn that any national sample poll concerning the presidency does not reflect how a president is elected. It is not one national vote but 51 separate elections. I would be very interested in the state by state breakouts. What most polls show is that while the national numbers run against him, Trump is still holding on to a solid 30+% base nationally and holds leads in enough states to get him re-elected in 2020. As for nickgusset's question, the politics isn't like what is depicted but the coverage is. Remember, sex sells.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Dec 17 10.48am

Originally posted by kenbarr

I would warn that any national sample poll concerning the presidency does not reflect how a president is elected. It is not one national vote but 51 separate elections. I would be very interested in the state by state breakouts. What most polls show is that while the national numbers run against him, Trump is still holding on to a solid 30+% base nationally and holds leads in enough states to get him re-elected in 2020. As for nickgusset's question, the politics isn't like what is depicted but the coverage is. Remember, sex sells.

Seems to be working for Roy Moore. I think it will depend really on what kind of candidate the democrats put up. But I'd be surprised if Trump runs again. I'd be surprised if he even makes it to the end of his term. I expect health grounds, a quiet set down, and handover to the vice president.

But it all will depend on the Muller investigation - If it turns up anything too damaging, the republican party will need to get rid of him, like they did with Nixon.

Problem is, that the opposition keep focusing on the man, and not the policies. His U-Turn compared to his campaign speech on Healthcare barely gets mentioned - when in fact its the complete opposite of his campaign promise.

The Republicans aren't that keen on him, and he's become something of a liability to them.

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 08 Dec 17 3.23pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Is all American politics like this?

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It's funny, the wife and I were talking last night about the old adage that women are more emotional because of their hormones. She pointed out that testosterone is a hormone, and that - back in her days as a manager in the oil & gas business - all the drama and politics in the office revolved around the men. The women just got on with what they're supposed to be doing while the men gossiped and measured dicks, causing all the in-fighting. Also, her male colleagues were more likely to overreact to any level of criticism, the more justified the greater the overreaction.

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 08 Dec 17 4.11pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by kenbarr

I would warn that any national sample poll concerning the presidency does not reflect how a president is elected. It is not one national vote but 51 separate elections. I would be very interested in the state by state breakouts. What most polls show is that while the national numbers run against him, Trump is still holding on to a solid 30+% base nationally and holds leads in enough states to get him re-elected in 2020. As for nickgusset's question, the politics isn't like what is depicted but the coverage is. Remember, sex sells.


You are absolutely correct that it is the state-by-state numbers that determine the Presidency. These national polls are good to get a high-level snapshot of public opinion, though.

Trump won the election by winning the swing states of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania - each by a few thousand votes out of millions cast. The total count for votes cast in these states for both Trump and Clinton is 13,233,376, with Trump getting a total of 77,744 votes more than Clinton. In none of these states was the margin of Trump's win greater than 1%.

Voters in these states bought in to his economic populism - including promises to raise taxes on the wealthy and never cut social security benefits. Pennsylvania is also home to the coal industry, which Trump famously championed. Well the one major bill that he might yet get to sign this year reneges on all those promises.

A poll from August this year - which notably pre-dates the tax bill that will be felt bigly by voters in these states - had Trump's approval at 33%, 36% and 33% respectively. [Link]

Compared to his vote percentage in those three states during the election of 47%, 47% and 48% respectively, that's an "unpresidented" drop in a single year.

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 08 Dec 17 4.35pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Seems to be working for Roy Moore. I think it will depend really on what kind of candidate the democrats put up. But I'd be surprised if Trump runs again. I'd be surprised if he even makes it to the end of his term. I expect health grounds, a quiet set down, and handover to the vice president.

But it all will depend on the Muller investigation - If it turns up anything too damaging, the republican party will need to get rid of him, like they did with Nixon.

Problem is, that the opposition keep focusing on the man, and not the policies. His U-Turn compared to his campaign speech on Healthcare barely gets mentioned - when in fact its the complete opposite of his campaign promise.

The Republicans aren't that keen on him, and he's become something of a liability to them.


What's working for Roy Moore is Republicans vs. Democrats tribalism. Moore's boosters are not promoting his inherent awesomeness - his background is basically a treasure trove of unacceptable positions and statements - they are saying that "we" cannot afford to have a Democrat in that seat. Trump won Alabama by 30% but Moore is running (red) neck and (red) neck with Doug Jones.

I think this will be decided by whether conservative Alabamans buy the tribal argument, hold their noses and vote for Moore, or whether they just don't show up to the polls because they can't vote for either. Dems are smelling blood and working on getting out the vote - their support is going to be highly motivated, of course.

It's a special election with no other races / decisions on the ballot. Relative enthusiasm will be a significant factor as will things like the weather.

In fact, Stephen Colbert commented recently that the weather forecast appears to favor Moore as, next Tuesday, it's expected to slip into the teens.

 


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wordup Flag 08 Dec 17 6.31pm

Roy Moore praises the era of slavery, putin and says America is the focus of evil - [Link]

 

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 08 Dec 17 8.41pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by wordup

Roy Moore praises the era of slavery, putin and says America is the focus of evil - [Link]


He has also claimed that teaching evolution causes dry-by shootings and was twice kicked off the bench because he refused to obey a court order - one of which was about removing a plaque of the ten commandments from the courthouse lawn, which is ironic given that adultery is one of the ten and he's been outed as committing same with his now wife while she was still married to her first husband. Oh, and he's an accused sexual predator and pedophile.

None of which will matter to those who vote for him. They will vote for him because of the "R" behind his name; the man himself is an absolute horror.

 


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.TUX. Flag 08 Dec 17 8.58pm

Originally posted by wordup

Roy Moore praises the era of slavery, putin and says America is the focus of evil - [Link]

We've all paid a heavy price to protect the IOUSA petro-dollar.

The sooner it ends the better.

 


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wordup Flag 08 Dec 17 9.10pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


He has also claimed that teaching evolution causes dry-by shootings and was twice kicked off the bench because he refused to obey a court order - one of which was about removing a plaque of the ten commandments from the courthouse lawn, which is ironic given that adultery is one of the ten and he's been outed as committing same with his now wife while she was still married to her first husband. Oh, and he's an accused sexual predator and pedophile.

None of which will matter to those who vote for him. They will vote for him because of the "R" behind his name; the man himself is an absolute horror.

Yes, I think he'll win. The moral compass has well and truly gone out of the window. He'll be a liability to his party if he wins, so it balances out in a funny kind of way.


 

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 08 Dec 17 9.26pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by wordup

Yes, I think he'll win. The moral compass has well and truly gone out of the window. He'll be a liability to his party if he wins, so it balances out in a funny kind of way.

I, too, think he'll win. I also think he'll serve in the Senate until he retires or dies (such is the state of incumbency in Congress).

The immediate calculus is that his vote may well be needed to pass the reconciled tax bill that will come back to the Senate for a re-vote some time this month. That's the devil's bargain the Republican Party is making right now - the same devil's bargain they made when they embraced and enabled Trump as President. Tax cuts uber alles!

Don't forget that Obamacare repeal was just a tax cut in disguise. They were going to leave the Act mostly in place and just eliminate the things that paid for it, like taxes and the individual mandate. That failed by a single vote; the current tax cut bill passed 51-49 in the Senate, including outgoing Alabama Senator Luther Strange's vote "aye". If Strange is replaced by Jones, not Moore, they're at 50-50 which is still a win with the tie being broken by Mike Pence, but it puts them in a vote crunch that gives any one Republican Senator extraordinary leverage to extract a high price for his or her vote.

Even with Moore, a single flip (like Susan Collins of Maine) puts them back in the tie scenario. Without Moore, the bill would die the death of Obamacare repeal. Unlike Obamacare repeal, there isn't a time bar on them bringing this up again (and again and again) if they need to. But I'm not sure they can implement it for 2018 if it's not signed before the end of 2017.

 


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