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 matt_himself  Matataland 09 Sep 15 6.07pm |
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Quote Mapletree at 09 Sep 2015 5.28pm
No where did I blame the Syrians for the problems in the area, so I don't know where you got that from. I am blaming unmanaged immigration for destroying areas and communities. I am blaming various governments for encouraging immigration without forethought on how that would affect the people living isn't eh areas where immigration happened (both existing and immigrant communities have been affected). I am also, controversially, blaming some immigrant communities for not integrating with others and treating their living environment appallingly. Walk down from West Croydon Bus Atation to the Factory Lane Post Office and you will find all manner of shot piled up on the streets because the immigrant community could not give a stuff about the local environment. ----------------------------------------------- I agree that many areas have suffered a kind of anomy as a result of the movement of people. Coventry is a good example when it rebuilt itself. Not sure it matters where they migrate from, both New Addington and Crawley were East End overspill and turned into virtual no-go areas. Maybe when people are from other countries they don't understand how to do things here, but in my experience of visiting countries many of them are far more caring of their community than ours. When you get a variety of people move into an area that don't know each other, the kn*b heads can get away with stuff. If you can get a feeling of community going they can't, witness the attack on the moped robbers yesterday. Interestingly New Addington seems to be improving, perhaps its residents have grown into their own skins a bit and it's establishing a feeling of mutual support and censure. Turning to Croydon, Jamie how dare you blanket dismiss my town. It made me and is inside me. If I go away I always come back. I don't love every part of it and I am selective about where I go and when but don't you dare belittle it and along with it me and others like me. Palace is a club that is rooted in Croydon and its supporters views are representative of a way of thinking that is uniquely South London and primarily Croydon. Think on, as Matt said being a mod you need to understand your audience. Not all of us want to move out to the country, although God knows it seems like most of the HOL has. Where do you live? Frankly, I don't think it is central Croydon. I think you are a typical liberal apologist and your view is more of 'what I want' rather than the reality of the situation.
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Quote Mapletree at 09 Sep 2015 5.28pm
No where did I blame the Syrians for the problems in the area, so I don't know where you got that from. I am blaming unmanaged immigration for destroying areas and communities. I am blaming various governments for encouraging immigration without forethought on how that would affect the people living isn't eh areas where immigration happened (both existing and immigrant communities have been affected). I am also, controversially, blaming some immigrant communities for not integrating with others and treating their living environment appallingly. Walk down from West Croydon Bus Atation to the Factory Lane Post Office and you will find all manner of shot piled up on the streets because the immigrant community could not give a stuff about the local environment. ----------------------------------------------- I agree that many areas have suffered a kind of anomy as a result of the movement of people. Coventry is a good example when it rebuilt itself. Not sure it matters where they migrate from, both New Addington and Crawley were East End overspill and turned into virtual no-go areas. Maybe when people are from other countries they don't understand how to do things here, but in my experience of visiting countries many of them are far more caring of their community than ours. When you get a variety of people move into an area that don't know each other, the kn*b heads can get away with stuff. If you can get a feeling of community going they can't, witness the attack on the moped robbers yesterday. Interestingly New Addington seems to be improving, perhaps its residents have grown into their own skins a bit and it's establishing a feeling of mutual support and censure. Turning to Croydon, Jamie how dare you blanket dismiss my town. It made me and is inside me. If I go away I always come back. I don't love every part of it and I am selective about where I go and when but don't you dare belittle it and along with it me and others like me. Palace is a club that is rooted in Croydon and its supporters views are representative of a way of thinking that is uniquely South London and primarily Croydon. Think on, as Matt said being a mod you need to understand your audience. Not all of us want to move out to the country, although God knows it seems like most of the HOL has.
Having said that some of my most treasured memories and fun times are inextricably linked to the place and it will always be not far away in my thoughts (the soulless, concrete infested, shopping hades) Yes, yes, yes - I know the nice parts too into the 'burbs.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 09 Sep 15 6.22pm |
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I guess at the end of the day Croydon may be a sh@t hole, but its OUR sh@t hole, and that's the difference.
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| Mapletree Croydon 09 Sep 15 6.22pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 09 Sep 2015 6.07pm
Quote Mapletree at 09 Sep 2015 5.28pm
No where did I blame the Syrians for the problems in the area, so I don't know where you got that from. I am blaming unmanaged immigration for destroying areas and communities. I am blaming various governments for encouraging immigration without forethought on how that would affect the people living isn't eh areas where immigration happened (both existing and immigrant communities have been affected). I am also, controversially, blaming some immigrant communities for not integrating with others and treating their living environment appallingly. Walk down from West Croydon Bus Atation to the Factory Lane Post Office and you will find all manner of shot piled up on the streets because the immigrant community could not give a stuff about the local environment. ----------------------------------------------- I agree that many areas have suffered a kind of anomy as a result of the movement of people. Coventry is a good example when it rebuilt itself. Not sure it matters where they migrate from, both New Addington and Crawley were East End overspill and turned into virtual no-go areas. Maybe when people are from other countries they don't understand how to do things here, but in my experience of visiting countries many of them are far more caring of their community than ours. When you get a variety of people move into an area that don't know each other, the kn*b heads can get away with stuff. If you can get a feeling of community going they can't, witness the attack on the moped robbers yesterday. Interestingly New Addington seems to be improving, perhaps its residents have grown into their own skins a bit and it's establishing a feeling of mutual support and censure. Turning to Croydon, Jamie how dare you blanket dismiss my town. It made me and is inside me. If I go away I always come back. I don't love every part of it and I am selective about where I go and when but don't you dare belittle it and along with it me and others like me. Palace is a club that is rooted in Croydon and its supporters views are representative of a way of thinking that is uniquely South London and primarily Croydon. Think on, as Matt said being a mod you need to understand your audience. Not all of us want to move out to the country, although God knows it seems like most of the HOL has. Where do you live? Frankly, I don't think it is central Croydon. I think you are a typical liberal apologist and your view is more of 'what I want' rather than the reality of the situation.
As it happens yes, quite close in to the centre but so f***ing what? If you drink in the Croham I live nearer the centre than you, I drink in the Dog and Bull. Weirdly, given that I was agreeing with your sentiment, you choose to attack me. I think you are stuck in battle mode.
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| Mapletree Croydon 09 Sep 15 6.23pm |
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 09 Sep 2015 6.22pm
I guess at the end of the day Croydon may be a sh@t hole, but its OUR sh@t hole, and that's the difference. Exactly Tom, you are so erudite.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 09 Sep 15 6.26pm |
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Quote Mapletree at 09 Sep 2015 6.23pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 09 Sep 2015 6.22pm
I guess at the end of the day Croydon may be a sh@t hole, but its OUR sh@t hole, and that's the difference. Exactly Tom, you are so erudite.
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| matt_himself Matataland 09 Sep 15 7.03pm |
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Quote Mapletree at 09 Sep 2015 6.22pm
Quote matt_himself at 09 Sep 2015 6.07pm
Quote Mapletree at 09 Sep 2015 5.28pm
No where did I blame the Syrians for the problems in the area, so I don't know where you got that from. I am blaming unmanaged immigration for destroying areas and communities. I am blaming various governments for encouraging immigration without forethought on how that would affect the people living isn't eh areas where immigration happened (both existing and immigrant communities have been affected). I am also, controversially, blaming some immigrant communities for not integrating with others and treating their living environment appallingly. Walk down from West Croydon Bus Atation to the Factory Lane Post Office and you will find all manner of shot piled up on the streets because the immigrant community could not give a stuff about the local environment. ----------------------------------------------- I agree that many areas have suffered a kind of anomy as a result of the movement of people. Coventry is a good example when it rebuilt itself. Not sure it matters where they migrate from, both New Addington and Crawley were East End overspill and turned into virtual no-go areas. Maybe when people are from other countries they don't understand how to do things here, but in my experience of visiting countries many of them are far more caring of their community than ours. When you get a variety of people move into an area that don't know each other, the kn*b heads can get away with stuff. If you can get a feeling of community going they can't, witness the attack on the moped robbers yesterday. Interestingly New Addington seems to be improving, perhaps its residents have grown into their own skins a bit and it's establishing a feeling of mutual support and censure. Turning to Croydon, Jamie how dare you blanket dismiss my town. It made me and is inside me. If I go away I always come back. I don't love every part of it and I am selective about where I go and when but don't you dare belittle it and along with it me and others like me. Palace is a club that is rooted in Croydon and its supporters views are representative of a way of thinking that is uniquely South London and primarily Croydon. Think on, as Matt said being a mod you need to understand your audience. Not all of us want to move out to the country, although God knows it seems like most of the HOL has. Where do you live? Frankly, I don't think it is central Croydon. I think you are a typical liberal apologist and your view is more of 'what I want' rather than the reality of the situation.
As it happens yes, quite close in to the centre but so f***ing what? If you drink in the Croham I live nearer the centre than you, I drink in the Dog and Bull. Weirdly, given that I was agreeing with your sentiment, you choose to attack me. I think you are stuck in battle mode.
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| Stirlingsays 09 Sep 15 7.31pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 09 Sep 2015 5.44pm
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Quote pefwin at 09 Sep 2015 12.09pm
I think the charge that the leadership of the Tories is very much to the left is very reasonable. Socially to the left, economically pretty right wing.
Cobblers? We are talking relative terms here Nick.....Maybe you should read the posts I was responding too. We are talking left wing relative to Tory values. Being pro eu is very left wing for the Tory party....As is cutting the forces back considerably and presiding over massive net increases in immigration.
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| matt_himself Matataland 09 Sep 15 8.00pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 09 Sep 2015 6.14pm
Quote Mapletree at 09 Sep 2015 5.28pm
No where did I blame the Syrians for the problems in the area, so I don't know where you got that from. I am blaming unmanaged immigration for destroying areas and communities. I am blaming various governments for encouraging immigration without forethought on how that would affect the people living isn't eh areas where immigration happened (both existing and immigrant communities have been affected). I am also, controversially, blaming some immigrant communities for not integrating with others and treating their living environment appallingly. Walk down from West Croydon Bus Atation to the Factory Lane Post Office and you will find all manner of shot piled up on the streets because the immigrant community could not give a stuff about the local environment. ----------------------------------------------- I agree that many areas have suffered a kind of anomy as a result of the movement of people. Coventry is a good example when it rebuilt itself. Not sure it matters where they migrate from, both New Addington and Crawley were East End overspill and turned into virtual no-go areas. Maybe when people are from other countries they don't understand how to do things here, but in my experience of visiting countries many of them are far more caring of their community than ours. When you get a variety of people move into an area that don't know each other, the kn*b heads can get away with stuff. If you can get a feeling of community going they can't, witness the attack on the moped robbers yesterday. Interestingly New Addington seems to be improving, perhaps its residents have grown into their own skins a bit and it's establishing a feeling of mutual support and censure. Turning to Croydon, Jamie how dare you blanket dismiss my town. It made me and is inside me. If I go away I always come back. I don't love every part of it and I am selective about where I go and when but don't you dare belittle it and along with it me and others like me. Palace is a club that is rooted in Croydon and its supporters views are representative of a way of thinking that is uniquely South London and primarily Croydon. Think on, as Matt said being a mod you need to understand your audience. Not all of us want to move out to the country, although God knows it seems like most of the HOL has.
Having said that some of my most treasured memories and fun times are inextricably linked to the place and it will always be not far away in my thoughts (the soulless, concrete infested, shopping hades) Yes, yes, yes - I know the nice parts too into the 'burbs. You haven't got a chance. Bellends.
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| matt_himself Matataland 09 Sep 15 8.04pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 09 Sep 2015 6.14pm
Quote Mapletree at 09 Sep 2015 5.28pm
No where did I blame the Syrians for the problems in the area, so I don't know where you got that from. I am blaming unmanaged immigration for destroying areas and communities. I am blaming various governments for encouraging immigration without forethought on how that would affect the people living isn't eh areas where immigration happened (both existing and immigrant communities have been affected). I am also, controversially, blaming some immigrant communities for not integrating with others and treating their living environment appallingly. Walk down from West Croydon Bus Atation to the Factory Lane Post Office and you will find all manner of shot piled up on the streets because the immigrant community could not give a stuff about the local environment. ----------------------------------------------- I agree that many areas have suffered a kind of anomy as a result of the movement of people. Coventry is a good example when it rebuilt itself. Not sure it matters where they migrate from, both New Addington and Crawley were East End overspill and turned into virtual no-go areas. Maybe when people are from other countries they don't understand how to do things here, but in my experience of visiting countries many of them are far more caring of their community than ours. When you get a variety of people move into an area that don't know each other, the kn*b heads can get away with stuff. If you can get a feeling of community going they can't, witness the attack on the moped robbers yesterday. Interestingly New Addington seems to be improving, perhaps its residents have grown into their own skins a bit and it's establishing a feeling of mutual support and censure. Turning to Croydon, Jamie how dare you blanket dismiss my town. It made me and is inside me. If I go away I always come back. I don't love every part of it and I am selective about where I go and when but don't you dare belittle it and along with it me and others like me. Palace is a club that is rooted in Croydon and its supporters views are representative of a way of thinking that is uniquely South London and primarily CroThink on, as Matt said being a mod you need to understand your audience. Not all of us want to move out to the country, although God knows it seems like most of the HOL has.
Having said that some of my most treasured memories and fun times are inextricably linked to the place and it will always be not far away in my thoughts (the soulless, concrete infested, shopping hades) Yes, yes, yes - I know the nice parts too into the 'burbs.
Edited by matt_himself (09 Sep 2015 8.14pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Sep 15 8.54pm |
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You lot should try living in Bracknell.
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| crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 09 Sep 15 9.31pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 09 Sep 2015 7.31pm
Quote nickgusset at 09 Sep 2015 5.44pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 09 Sep 2015 4.38pm
Quote pefwin at 09 Sep 2015 12.09pm
I think the charge that the leadership of the Tories is very much to the left is very reasonable. Socially to the left, economically pretty right wing.
Cobblers? We are talking relative terms here Nick.....Maybe you should read the posts I was responding too. We are talking left wing relative to Tory values. Being pro eu is very left wing for the Tory party....As is cutting the forces back considerably and presiding over massive net increases in immigration. Except for a noisy minority, the Tories have always been very pro EU. I don't think that more than one or two of any Tory cabinet in living memory have ever been anti EU; some of the party membership have, but they have largely jumped ship to the UKIP fringes now. Most Tories in the post-war world have been of the "one nation" variety, right of centre but pragmatic in their views on topics like people coming to the UK, rather than knee-jerk anti foreigners per se. They are aware that as the UK population ages we need people of working age to replace the retirees and pay taxes necessary to keep UK plc in business. That's not left or right wing; it's being pragmatic.
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