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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 15 7.14pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Aug 2015 7.07pm
People can't be blamed for using the law to better themselves financially. They didn't write the laws. They aren't at fault for the housing crises.....That's the fault of government over decades....Short term political decisions that have....And are continuing to come home to roast. We aren't the kind of country where contracts are torn up because of the 'greater good'. Resolution to these problems is supposedly why politicians are there in the first place.....To work for the 'greater good'. Why isn't there an Ofsted for them? F##king useless pile of freeloaders who continually worsen the living standards and infrastructure in this country. By far the worst public service. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Aug 2015 7.08pm) Yep, they need someone a bit different with a different outlook in charge.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 13 Aug 15 7.29pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 13 Aug 2015 7.14pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Aug 2015 7.07pm
People can't be blamed for using the law to better themselves financially. They didn't write the laws. They aren't at fault for the housing crises.....That's the fault of government over decades....Short term political decisions that have....And are continuing to come home to roast. We aren't the kind of country where contracts are torn up because of the 'greater good'. Resolution to these problems is supposedly why politicians are there in the first place.....To work for the 'greater good'. Why isn't there an Ofsted for them? F##king useless pile of freeloaders who continually worsen the living standards and infrastructure in this country. By far the worst public service. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Aug 2015 7.08pm) Yep, they need someone a bit different with a different outlook in charge.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 15 8.47pm |
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 13 Aug 2015 7.29pm
Quote nickgusset at 13 Aug 2015 7.14pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Aug 2015 7.07pm
People can't be blamed for using the law to better themselves financially. They didn't write the laws. They aren't at fault for the housing crises.....That's the fault of government over decades....Short term political decisions that have....And are continuing to come home to roast. We aren't the kind of country where contracts are torn up because of the 'greater good'. Resolution to these problems is supposedly why politicians are there in the first place.....To work for the 'greater good'. Why isn't there an Ofsted for them? F##king useless pile of freeloaders who continually worsen the living standards and infrastructure in this country. By far the worst public service. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Aug 2015 7.08pm) Yep, they need someone a bit different with a different outlook in charge.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Aug 15 10.40am |
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Quote leggedstruggle at 13 Aug 2015 5.40pm
The great myth of 'we' somehow owning nationalised businesses and services. You have have more influence if you are a share holder in a private company. Which costs money, quite a lot to actually have influence over policy, so requires an incentive towards return. By we, I mean the democratically elected government, selected by the people, that is accountable, as opposed to people on the basis of their financial investment in a company. Even if its the conservative government, I trust them more with the provision of essential services to the operation of state, and citizen well being, than private investors (many of whom have no real national ties ie their incentive is strictly profit). People shouldn't be spending all most of their working income on just paying their monthly bills.
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 palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 14 Aug 15 11.45am |
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Was up in Fulham and Chelsea yesterday; looking around at the gaffs and imagining the reception as the first few families moved into their new houses and apartments in Flood St, Cheyne Walk and Chelsea Wharf...
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| johnfirewall 14 Aug 15 1.49pm |
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The Mayor of Calais is still blaming the UK. The readers' comments are a little surprising with some pointing out the paper's obsession with inflating the alleged economic boosts from migrants. Similar articles last year pointed out that she was wrong to claim we're drawing them in with our benefits system, but ignore the points she makes about us being an easy target due to the black market and lack of ID cards. Perhaps she should start reading the Guardian and this forum so she can focus the blame on those who welcome everyone with open arms.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Aug 15 1.56pm |
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Quote johnfirewall at 14 Aug 2015 1.49pm
The Mayor of Calais is still blaming the UK. The readers' comments are a little surprising with some pointing out the paper's obsession with inflating the alleged economic boosts from migrants. Similar articles last year pointed out that she was wrong to claim we're drawing them in with our benefits system, but ignore the points she makes about us being an easy target due to the black market and lack of ID cards. Perhaps she should start reading the Guardian and this forum so she can focus the blame on those who welcome everyone with open arms. Whilst I don't advocate open immigration, I'm pretty sure I'd much rather an immigrant who works hard, contributes and is pleasant as a neighbour than some of the (seemingly) racist scapegoaters on here.
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| johnfirewall 14 Aug 15 2.14pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 14 Aug 2015 1.56pm
Quote johnfirewall at 14 Aug 2015 1.49pm
The Mayor of Calais is still blaming the UK. The readers' comments are a little surprising with some pointing out the paper's obsession with inflating the alleged economic boosts from migrants. Similar articles last year pointed out that she was wrong to claim we're drawing them in with our benefits system, but ignore the points she makes about us being an easy target due to the black market and lack of ID cards. Perhaps she should start reading the Guardian and this forum so she can focus the blame on those who welcome everyone with open arms. Whilst I don't advocate open immigration, I'm pretty sure I'd much rather an immigrant who works hard, contributes and is pleasant as a neighbour than some of the (seemingly) racist scapegoaters on here. You likely reside amongst more UKIP voters than migrants so no doubt you'd like a change, although that doesn't leave you in a very informed position to base your trade on. Sidcup isn't far and they just dumped a load in the Travelodge if you fancy.
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 14 Aug 15 2.15pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 14 Aug 2015 1.56pm
Quote johnfirewall at 14 Aug 2015 1.49pm
The Mayor of Calais is still blaming the UK. The readers' comments are a little surprising with some pointing out the paper's obsession with inflating the alleged economic boosts from migrants. Similar articles last year pointed out that she was wrong to claim we're drawing them in with our benefits system, but ignore the points she makes about us being an easy target due to the black market and lack of ID cards. Perhaps she should start reading the Guardian and this forum so she can focus the blame on those who welcome everyone with open arms. Whilst I don't advocate open immigration, I'm pretty sure I'd much rather an immigrant who works hard, contributes and is pleasant as a neighbour than some of the (seemingly) racist scapegoaters on here. Why don't you advocate open immigration? What problems would you say are posed by 'open' immigration?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Aug 15 2.29pm |
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Quote johnfirewall at 14 Aug 2015 2.14pm
Quote nickgusset at 14 Aug 2015 1.56pm
Quote johnfirewall at 14 Aug 2015 1.49pm
The Mayor of Calais is still blaming the UK. The readers' comments are a little surprising with some pointing out the paper's obsession with inflating the alleged economic boosts from migrants. Similar articles last year pointed out that she was wrong to claim we're drawing them in with our benefits system, but ignore the points she makes about us being an easy target due to the black market and lack of ID cards. Perhaps she should start reading the Guardian and this forum so she can focus the blame on those who welcome everyone with open arms. Whilst I don't advocate open immigration, I'm pretty sure I'd much rather an immigrant who works hard, contributes and is pleasant as a neighbour than some of the (seemingly) racist scapegoaters on here. You likely reside amongst more UKIP voters than migrants so no doubt you'd like a change, although that doesn't leave you in a very informed position to base your trade on. Sidcup isn't far and they just dumped a load in the Travelodge if you fancy. I read earlier that Corbyn policies are liked by a lot of UKIP supporters. Who would go on holiday to Sidcup?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Aug 15 2.31pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 5.06pm
Quote susmik at 13 Aug 2015 5.01pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 4.37pm
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Quote leggedstruggle at 13 Aug 2015 10.23am
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Quote palace_in_frogland at 12 Aug 2015 1.41pm
Been thinking about the idea of using empty houses for migrant families, as has been suggested several times.
The subtext of the above is that you appear to be saying that all empty homes should be handed over to the 'homeless'. Therefore, I ask in turn is is right to force people to use their property for purposes they don't want it to be used for? Is the forcing of people to hand over property against their will totalitarian? Is that morally right?
UK law permits for Compulsory Purchase Orders, so its not totalitarian at all, if compensation or provision is made to allow for compensation. The state could of course utilize existing properties by compulsory letting, and taking responsibility as a temporary owner of the property. To forcibly take property, without compensation is beyond the capacity of the state, outside of a State of Emergency. It would take an act of parliament (which would never be accepted by the Lords). The problem really is the idea of property as a means of investment and return, as has become very common practice since the 80s housing boom. People throw the word totalitarian and freedom around far to easily. Compulsory purchase is used to facilitate infrastructure developments such as roads and railways. The compensation given is usually generous. Seizing the property of people against their will, even if you compensate them, for the purpose of effectively giving the property to less well off people is indeed totalitarian - something they did in Soviet Russia. I find it utterly bizarre that a 'serious' discussion is being held on here talking about dispossessing indigenous people to house various disparate immigrants - many of whom are here illegally. There really is no limit to the foolishness of you new lefties. They have broken the law and should be treated as criminals not given money housing and free health care. We should speed up the process of getting rid of them as soon as they arrive on our shores. They are here illegally not real asylum cases...They deserve NOTHING and should get NOTHING !!! They don't receive benefits, unless they're fraudulently claiming them using fake or stolen ID's. That said, as criminals, they do have to be housed somewhere whilst processed and entitled to health care pending deportation (and prison is an exceptionally expensive option). Also, some of them will also be victims of crime themselves(forced trafficking and sex trafficking), and may be required as witnesses for a prosecution. The real issue with illegal immigrants isn't the immigrants themselves, but the people who employ them and bring them in. Most illegals in the UK will be working in some form or another in order to survive, or pay off a debt to traffickers (the traffickers will typically sell them onto affiliate gangs in the country, who will then put them to work to pay debts, or for a pittance, whilst providing some kind of accommodation and food). These gangs essentially provide these people as cheap labor into various UK businesses, or in the sex trade they're generally pressed into prostitution. Most have lives that are pretty terrible even by third world standards. Illegal migrants lives is maybe one up from being homeless and living on the streets in the UK.
True, but I thought we'd moved on from the original post. Of course some of them probably were trafficked into France etc, and as we don't pay benefits to illegal immigrants (unless they granted asylum), then they're probably looking to end up working in the illegal labour market in the UK. Either way, the real issue is cutting head the head of the snake, and that is businesses and individuals who are using or paying illegal workers (or agencies that are employing people who are using illegal workers on the behalf of others). Cut off the economic source of support, and economic migration will eventually dry up. Just focusing on the migrants will only prevent some getting in, as long as demand exists, then there is going to be supply. This is quite true and I am glad that at last the government is bringing in new laws to fine very heavily the people that employ or supply these illegal workers to firms. I bet if the powers to be were to come down to the West Country and look amongst the farms and fields they would find a lot of people working here that really should not be. The saying "out of sight out of mind" springs to mind when I drive past "swarms" of people picking up spuds and strawberries and the suchlike that are not students as was the case in the old days. They are mostly foreign and look like they have just got off the ferry from France! I suppose as they are way out working in the country no-one is bothered these days and the employers are bound to take a chance. I hope the new legislation comes soon and these people get fined and get taught a lesson! We should more than fine. Prison and forfeiture of assets sustained through illegal workers should be the norm, along with lengthy bans from owning a business. Those people employing them are perpetuating something akin to the slave trade in many cases, defrauding the state of tax and national insurance, and preventing employment.
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| Stirlingsays 14 Aug 15 2.37pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 14 Aug 2015 1.56pm
Whilst I don't advocate open immigration, I'm pretty sure I'd much rather an immigrant who works hard, contributes and is pleasant as a neighbour than some of the (seemingly) racist scapegoaters on here. Hey Nick, you're doing your own lefty 'word bingo'.
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