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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Apr 13 11.01am
Quote Stirlingsays at 10 Apr 2013 11.58pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Apr 2013 11.01pm Quote Stirlingsays at 10 Apr 2013 10.50pm Quote nickgusset at 10 Apr 2013 10.44pm It's strange that current consensus is to reign in spending to get the economy on track and going again, yet to get the banks going, government needs to invest... Not all Tories agreed with saving the banks, many didn't. They would have been wrong. The reality is that the banks had to be propped up, or the country really would have gone down the toilet, as the industry would have collapsed like dominos, taking other related industries and peoples savings etc with it. What didn't need to happen is the kowtowing to the Bankers that followed, the government should have stood firm. As opposed to what? A short death or a long drawn out one. Hayek, who Thatcher followed would have been shocked by this huge Keynesian experiment....All to maintain the status quo...A status quo that was rotten to the core. The destruction would have been temporary also there were other alternatives to just using borrowed cash to keep afloat failed businesses....Untried methods that weren't going to be risked...Instead we everyone trotted out Keynes and saved the very criminals who caused the disaster....With their giant bonuses. I liked Sal Khan's alternative of investing in new banks.....There was no pain free alternative but I don't believe that the solutions chosen were the best ones. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2013 12.02am) From a political stand point - which ever party had done that could have kissed good bye to ever being re-elected. Plus some of the untried methods represented an unknown gamble. I like the idea of new banks being formed. I understand the need to keep the industry afloat to prevent a meltdown, but not the essential perpetuation of a sick system. Those responsible for the mismanagement should not have been protected nor should their positions have been assured. The problem isn't the 'bailing out' its the fact that nothing has really changed as a result. The Government was in a position of absolute strength to restructure the industry and capitulated to a status quo that comprised of self interest, rather than national interest. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote nickgusset at 10 Apr 2013 10.44pm

It's strange that current consensus is to reign in spending to get the economy on track and going again, yet to get the banks going, government needs to invest...

Not all Tories agreed with saving the banks, many didn't.

They would have been wrong. The reality is that the banks had to be propped up, or the country really would have gone down the toilet, as the industry would have collapsed like dominos, taking other related industries and peoples savings etc with it.

What didn't need to happen is the kowtowing to the Bankers that followed, the government should have stood firm.

As opposed to what?

A short death or a long drawn out one. Hayek, who Thatcher followed would have been shocked by this huge Keynesian experiment....All to maintain the status quo...A status quo that was rotten to the core.

The destruction would have been temporary also there were other alternatives to just using borrowed cash to keep afloat failed businesses....Untried methods that weren't going to be risked...Instead we everyone trotted out Keynes and saved the very criminals who caused the disaster....With their giant bonuses.

I liked Sal Khan's alternative of investing in new banks.....There was no pain free alternative but I don't believe that the solutions chosen were the best ones.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2013 12.02am)

From a political stand point - which ever party had done that could have kissed good bye to ever being re-elected. Plus some of the untried methods represented an unknown gamble.

I like the idea of new banks being formed. I understand the need to keep the industry afloat to prevent a meltdown, but not the essential perpetuation of a sick system. Those responsible for the mismanagement should not have been protected nor should their positions have been assured. The problem isn't the 'bailing out' its the fact that nothing has really changed as a result. The Government was in a position of absolute strength to restructure the industry and capitulated to a status quo that comprised of self interest, rather than national interest.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 11 Apr 13 12.22pm
Quote thegreatlardino at 08 Apr 2013 1.12pm can we remove the RIP at the start of this thread... why??????? Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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Quote thegreatlardino at 08 Apr 2013 1.12pm

can we remove the RIP at the start of this thread...

why???????

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 11 Apr 13 12.25pm
Quote Jack Daniels at 08 Apr 2013 1.31pm Evil woman, done more damage to this country than Hitler did. what planet are you on???? Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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Quote Jack Daniels at 08 Apr 2013 1.31pm

Evil woman, done more damage to this country than Hitler did.

what planet are you on????

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johnfirewall 11 Apr 13 12.26pm
I'm glad the left have moved swiftly on, to Mark. How original.
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I'm glad the left have moved swiftly on, to Mark. How original.

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dingdong bognor regis 11 Apr 13 12.47pm
the cost of the b#tches funeral is around the 8 million mark. worst recession ever. benefit cuts.businesses going bust,people losing ther jobs and we waste that on a c7nt like her. let the torys pay for the funeral
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the cost of the b#tches funeral is around the 8 million mark. worst recession ever. benefit cuts.businesses going bust,people losing ther jobs and we waste that on a c7nt like her. let the torys pay for the funeral

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 11 Apr 13 12.49pm
Quote ChuFukka at 08 Apr 2013 1.36pm Terrible shame. A great Prime Minister, and her death has certainly shown the true colours of a number of people on here. Celebrating the death of a very unwell old lady - unbelievable. I have to agree.....there are some people on here that talk out their backsides and do NOT really know how much maggie did for this country and how she pulled us back from the brink when we were going down the pan due to strikes and nationalised companies that were dragging us down. Many on here that are old enough to have lived through the period she was Prime Minister will know that the unions had virtually taken over the mad house But she took them to task and beat them. Arthur Scargill was on the picket lines with the miners making them attack police and everyone that was not on their side...I know because I was backing the police with fellow marines on the picket lines. The miners got sucked into a situation that they did not really understand but followed that idiot Scargill who incidently got shunned by the unions some years ago due to lining his pockets and bumming accomodation costs through his union funds. He was a total waste of space and did more harm than good. At the time of the strikes coal was going out of fashion anyway due to health worries. in fact the "Green movement" started at that time and was the start of all the "Save the Planet brigade". A lot of people on here do not really know just how much good maggie did for this country but instead harp on the things she did wrong...NO-ONE is perfect are they? I would like to think that people on here who are not Conservative would show some respect for her just as Red Ed did yesterday instead of following like sheep and Slagging her off and having street parties.....its a sad thing for our country when people stoop that low and show their barbaric ways. I have seensome really bad threads on the Holmsdale but this takes the biscuit!!! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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Quote ChuFukka at 08 Apr 2013 1.36pm

Terrible shame. A great Prime Minister, and her death has certainly shown the true colours of a number of people on here. Celebrating the death of a very unwell old lady - unbelievable.

I have to agree.....there are some people on here that talk out their backsides and do NOT really know how much maggie did for this country and how she pulled us back from the brink when we were going down the pan due to strikes and nationalised companies that were dragging us down. Many on here that are old enough to have lived through the period she was Prime Minister will know that the unions had virtually taken over the mad house But she took them to task and beat them. Arthur Scargill was on the picket lines with the miners making them attack police and everyone that was not on their side...I know because I was backing the police with fellow marines on the picket lines. The miners got sucked into a situation that they did not really understand but followed that idiot Scargill who incidently got shunned by the unions some years ago due to lining his pockets and bumming accomodation costs through his union funds. He was a total waste of space and did more harm than good. At the time of the strikes coal was going out of fashion anyway due to health worries. in fact the "Green movement" started at that time and was the start of all the "Save the Planet brigade".
A lot of people on here do not really know just how much good maggie did for this country but instead harp on the things she did wrong...NO-ONE is perfect are they?
I would like to think that people on here who are not Conservative would show some respect for her just as Red Ed did yesterday instead of following like sheep and Slagging her off and having street parties.....its a sad thing for our country when people stoop that low and show their barbaric ways.
I have seensome really bad threads on the Holmsdale but this takes the biscuit!!!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Apr 13 12.49pm
[Link] An article by Jon Pilger on The Thatch's collusion with Pol Pot. What a lovely lady she was!
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An article by Jon Pilger on The Thatch's collusion with Pol Pot.

What a lovely lady she was!

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 13 1.01pm
Quote I have to agree.....there are some people on here that talk out their backsides and do NOT really know how much maggie did for this country and how she pulled us back from the brink when we were going down the pan due to strikes and nationalised companies that were dragging us down. Many on here that are old enough to have lived through the period she was Prime Minister will know that the unions had virtually taken over the mad house But she took them to task and beat them. Arthur Scargill was on the picket lines with the miners making them attack police and everyone that was not on their side...I know because I was backing the police with fellow marines on the picket lines. The miners got sucked into a situation that they did not really understand but followed that idiot Scargill who incidently got shunned by the unions some years ago due to lining his pockets and bumming accomodation costs through his union funds. He was a total waste of space and did more harm than good. At the time of the strikes coal was going out of fashion anyway due to health worries. in fact the "Green movement" started at that time and was the start of all the "Save the Planet brigade". A lot of people on here do not really know just how much good maggie did for this country but instead harp on the things she did wrong...NO-ONE is perfect are they? I would like to think that people on here who are not Conservative would show some respect for her just as Red Ed did yesterday instead of following like sheep and Slagging her off and having street parties.....its a sad thing for our country when people stoop that low and show their barbaric ways. I have seensome really bad threads on the Holmsdale but this takes the biscuit!!! I wholly endorse these sentiments. Well done. Willo
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South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 13 1.01pm

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I wholly endorse these sentiments.
Well done.

Willo

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Farawayeagle Sydney 11 Apr 13 1.10pm
Quote nickgusset at 11 Apr 2013 12.49pm [Link] An article by Jon Pilger on The Thatch's collusion with Pol Pot. What a lovely lady she was! Oh good! An article by a measured, balance journalist. An impeccable source. Founder Of The Crystal Palace Roller Coaster Association An Affiliate Of The Never A Dull Moment Club R.I.P. DJ Hardline -- Gone Way Too Soon GKAS Member 54
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Quote nickgusset at 11 Apr 2013 12.49pm

[Link]
An article by Jon Pilger on The Thatch's collusion with Pol Pot.

What a lovely lady she was!

Oh good! An article by a measured, balance journalist.
An impeccable source.

Founder Of The Crystal Palace Roller Coaster
Association

An Affiliate Of The Never A Dull Moment Club

R.I.P. DJ Hardline -- Gone Way Too Soon

GKAS Member 54

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 11 Apr 13 1.10pm
Quote nickgusset at 11 Apr 2013 12.49pm [Link] An article by Jon Pilger on The Thatch's collusion with Pol Pot. What a lovely lady she was! As I have said Nick NO-ONE is perfect are they??? Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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Quote nickgusset at 11 Apr 2013 12.49pm

[Link]
An article by Jon Pilger on The Thatch's collusion with Pol Pot.

What a lovely lady she was!

As I have said Nick NO-ONE is perfect are they???

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Bin Liner London , Southfields 11 Apr 13 1.11pm
Quote Farawayeagle at 11 Apr 2013 1.10pm Quote nickgusset at 11 Apr 2013 12.49pm [Link] An article by Jon Pilger on The Thatch's collusion with Pol Pot. What a lovely lady she was! Oh good! An article by a measured, balance journalist. An impeccable source. this tragic event has come from many other sources as well. Portillo's teeth removed to boost pound Boy roasts himself in sacrifice to Chris Kelly
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London , Southfields 11 Apr 13 1.11pm

Quote Farawayeagle at 11 Apr 2013 1.10pm

Quote nickgusset at 11 Apr 2013 12.49pm

[Link]
An article by Jon Pilger on The Thatch's collusion with Pol Pot.

What a lovely lady she was!

Oh good! An article by a measured, balance journalist.
An impeccable source.

this tragic event has come from many other sources as well.

Portillo's teeth removed to boost pound

Boy roasts himself in sacrifice to Chris Kelly

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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 11 Apr 13 1.17pm
Quote Farawayeagle at 11 Apr 2013 1.10pm Quote nickgusset at 11 Apr 2013 12.49pm [Link] An article by Jon Pilger on The Thatch's collusion with Pol Pot. What a lovely lady she was! Oh good! An article by a measured, balance journalist. An impeccable source. And even if unbiased and accurate (which is fairly unlikely with Pilger), the full accusation is that the UK supplied food rations and some military training to some exiled KR factions. Hardly the stuff of grand conspiracy theories! Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)
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Tirana, Albania 11 Apr 13 1.17pm

Quote Farawayeagle at 11 Apr 2013 1.10pm

Quote nickgusset at 11 Apr 2013 12.49pm

[Link]
An article by Jon Pilger on The Thatch's collusion with Pol Pot.

What a lovely lady she was!

Oh good! An article by a measured, balance journalist.
An impeccable source.

And even if unbiased and accurate (which is fairly unlikely with Pilger), the full accusation is that the UK supplied food rations and some military training to some exiled KR factions. Hardly the stuff of grand conspiracy theories!

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

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