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europalace Flag Europe 02 Jul 17 9.22pm Send a Private Message to europalace Add europalace as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It's just good to see the government doing something in the interests of Britain for a change, I know it must dismay you.

Gullible as usual. The government is 'doing something' in the interest of the government that's all.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 02 Jul 17 10.21pm

Originally posted by europalace

Gullible as usual. The government is 'doing something' in the interest of the government that's all.

You don't think it is in the interests of British fishermen to have exclusive access to British fishing waters?

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 02 Jul 17 10.36pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

You don't think it is in the interests of British fishermen to have exclusive access to British fishing waters?

That would depend entirely on whether it is fished at a sustainable level and whether or not the excluded countries still want to buy their catch.

Anyway, the foreign boats will still be allowed but the contractual terms will be re-negotiated. Gove said so himself more or less on Marr this morning.

Edited by Kermit8 (02 Jul 2017 10.37pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 02 Jul 17 10.49pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by europalace

Gullible as usual. The government is 'doing something' in the interest of the government that's all.

Says the EU supporter.

 


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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 03 Jul 17 12.37am Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

British Yardies?

Ha ha.

Emphasis on British. I'd say the true Yardies would be more aligned with Kingston Jamaica than good old London town.

 


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.TUX. Flag 03 Jul 17 1.41am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Any criticisms of the leave campaign are balanced out with criticism of the remain campaign. Criticisms of the campaigns that are too loaded on one side are to my mind unbalanced as in truth neither campaign really knows what will happen. Both of them were arguing from an ideological position.

As for interpretations of what the vote meant. I differ significantly from you. I believe your position is just a fall back remain position to attempt to get another referendum....or indeed ignore the original.

There will be a vote upon the final terms in parliament. Polling data shows no call for another referendum...indeed it shows a desire to get on with the process.

Remain parties did not do well in the general election. Claiming the leave position is undemocratic isn't realistic.

I don't support attempts to interfere with the negotiating process by minority parties which can only weaken the UK position. But there are plenty of people who are quite happy to stand with the EU position rather than the UK....But be in no doubt this is very much a minority viewpoint in the UK.

Personally, I see the EU as a disaster waiting to happen and by leaving we are reducing the damage. Two Italian banks have just failed and with the state of southern Europe that's just the tip of the iceberg. The magic EU 'money' tree can't go on endlessly....and once Germany starts to stutter investors will panic and it all comes down.....This isn't something I'm looking forward to but I don't see how it doesn't happen without serious reform.....And the EU doesn't willingly do reform.

Perhaps in the future the UK may join a different type of union....But much water will pass under the bridge first.

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 03 Jul 17 8.04am

Originally posted by Kermit8

That would depend entirely on whether it is fished at a sustainable level and whether or not the excluded countries still want to buy their catch.

Anyway, the foreign boats will still be allowed but the contractual terms will be re-negotiated. Gove said so himself more or less on Marr this morning.

Edited by Kermit8 (02 Jul 2017 10.37pm)

We can set our own sustainable levels for fishing our own waters. We can sell our fish to ourselves rather than importing. Of course we are renegotiating the current EU fishing setup - I just hope we get back to pre-EU control of our own waters and rebuild our fishing industry - we are an island surrounded by water for f-sake, fishing should be a major industry here.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 03 Jul 17 8.19am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

Emphasis on British. I'd say the true Yardies would be more aligned with Kingston Jamaica than good old London town.

I have contacted both Scotland Yard and the media and showed them your posts you two and asked them to stop referring to British drugs gangs of Jamaican origin as Yardies. They asked me to send you their apologies and they promised not to do it in the future.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 03 Jul 17 8.25am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

We can set our own sustainable levels for fishing our own waters. We can sell our fish to ourselves rather than importing. Of course we are renegotiating the current EU fishing setup - I just hope we get back to pre-EU control of our own waters and rebuild our fishing industry - we are an island surrounded by water for f-sake, fishing should be a major industry here.

It was until we over-fished it. And please don't show such naivety in believing that a capitalist Tory government will be 'green' and right-on when it comes to sustainability.

We can't sell our fish to ourselves in the tonnage that would be needed to address any imbalances. We are an island nation but the irony being we are not big native fish eaters save for cod. A huge amount is exported entirely for that reason or ends up as animal feed.

How big is the fish counter at your local big supermarket? Ours is only about 10 feet long. That's the demand. Low.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 03 Jul 17 8.52am

Originally posted by Kermit8

It was until we over-fished it. And please don't show such naivety in believing that a capitalist Tory government will be 'green' and right-on when it comes to sustainability.

We can't sell our fish to ourselves in the tonnage that would be needed to address any imbalances. We are an island nation but the irony being we are not big native fish eaters save for cod. A huge amount is exported entirely for that reason or ends up as animal feed.

How big is the fish counter at your local big supermarket? Ours is only about 10 feet long. That's the demand. Low.

There were over-fishing problems before the EU, but once we joined the problem went into overdive, as well as destroying the British fishing industry of course. You have faith in a capitalist, undemocratic, price-rigging cartel doing the right thing then? We are a net-importer of fish so plenty of opportunity to reverse that.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Jul 17 9.26am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

There were over-fishing problems before the EU, but once we joined the problem went into overdive, as well as destroying the British fishing industry of course. You have faith in a capitalist, undemocratic, price-rigging cartel doing the right thing then? We are a net-importer of fish so plenty of opportunity to reverse that.

You support mass renationalisation of public infrastructure then I take it.

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 03 Jul 17 9.31am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

There were over-fishing problems before the EU, but once we joined the problem went into overdive, as well as destroying the British fishing industry of course. You have faith in a capitalist, undemocratic, price-rigging cartel doing the right thing then? We are a net-importer of fish so plenty of opportunity to reverse that.

Not really. Tuna and Salmon we need from abroad as well as cod. But how mental is the system? We import Atlantic cod from China that's how crazy it is.

We do have an incredible resource and there is opportunity but the Fisheries Industry just hasn't got a very good record with its management of it and I include the EU in that though their more recent directives have lead to a North Sea Cod recovery.

If the Ministry in charge had Green types at the helm then 'yes' it could work up to a point otherwise it will just go back to being how bad it was again. No fish left.

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