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Hrolf The Ganger 17 Feb 22 10.26am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Ever heard of the phrase "lies, damn lies and statistics"? Your "statistics" prove nothing at all, except what is claimed to be happening now. What will happen in the future is not just unknown, it's unknowable. I won't repeat all the reasons why. Just go back and see if you can work that out for yourself. The "great replacement" is 100% fear-mongering propaganda. Designed to wind up the simple-minded, gullible or racist among us. Who-ever falls for it needs to take a long hard look at themselves and their own attitudes because they fit one of those categories. No. It is simply an extrapolation using current trends. Your only goal is to obfuscate this reality by banging on about 'the great replacement', 'white supremacy' 'racism' and other irrelevant nonsense. There is no fearmongering from me just facts, but that implies that you obviously you think this is something we should be afraid of, but you are more concerned with fighting against some imaginary ideological foe. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Feb 2022 10.27am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Feb 22 11.08am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No. It is simply an extrapolation using current trends. Your only goal is to obfuscate this reality by banging on about 'the great replacement', 'white supremacy' 'racism' and other irrelevant nonsense. There is no fearmongering from me just facts, but that implies that you obviously you think this is something we should be afraid of, but you are more concerned with fighting against some imaginary ideological foe. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Feb 2022 10.27am) Actually the precise reverse is true. As I have previously patiently tried to explain immigrants don't remain as immigrants. They become citizens. They gradually absorb our culture, attend our schools, watch our TV. I have little doubt we will increase our determination to make sure this happens effectively and avoid the creation of ghettos and separate communities. Dispersal and absorption takes time, sometimes several generations, but it is simply untrue that you can extrapolate anything from current trends. Instead of fearmongering you would be better spending your time actively engaged in promoting policies which encourage the positive results of building cohesion and common purpose, rather than division.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Feb 22 11.14am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
How come you know so much about brexit being bad then as that's in the future. The consequences of Brexit can be seen now. The promised benefits are only obvious by their absence. The evidence for membership exists. It doesn't need to be known. It is known. You might not like it. I do.
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cryrst The garden of England 17 Feb 22 11.17am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The consequences of Brexit can be seen now. The promised benefits are only obvious by their absence. The evidence for membership exists. It doesn't need to be known. It is known. You might not like it. I do. We are less than two years in and we have a very high increase in gdp. Shortages and price increases are not only in the UK!
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Stirlingsays 17 Feb 22 12.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Actually the precise reverse is true. As I have previously patiently tried to explain immigrants don't remain as immigrants. They become citizens. They gradually absorb our culture, attend our schools, watch our TV. I have little doubt we will increase our determination to make sure this happens effectively and avoid the creation of ghettos and separate communities. Dispersal and absorption takes time, sometimes several generations, but it is simply untrue that you can extrapolate anything from current trends. Instead of fearmongering you would be better spending your time actively engaged in promoting policies which encourage the positive results of building cohesion and common purpose, rather than division. This is idealism and isn't true. Point out to me the country where that has happened. What happens on the large scale is house price balkanization and ghettoization....that is the actual reality. The demographic map is the evidence that birds of the feather stick together...the London map is a direct rebuttal of your idealism. Your ideals have lowered trust and increased crime significantly....the statistics are there for anyone to see. This nonsense might sound nice but the practical result of global village politics (which you don't live in) has created mass demographic flows, moved families from areas that their descendants had lived in for...in some cases centuries, ruined the wages and opportunities for many working class professions. This is the kind of stuff that the middle classes talk because it's not their arses being negatively affected. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Feb 2022 12.35pm)
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 17 Feb 22 12.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The consequences of Brexit can be seen now. The promised benefits are only obvious by their absence. The evidence for membership exists. It doesn't need to be known. It is known. You might not like it. I do. Indeed, its costing us time, money, shortages, workers, and friends- but at least we got dat FREEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM!
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georgenorman 17 Feb 22 12.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Actually the precise reverse is true. As I have previously patiently tried to explain immigrants don't remain as immigrants. They become citizens. They gradually absorb our culture, attend our schools, watch our TV. I have little doubt we will increase our determination to make sure this happens effectively and avoid the creation of ghettos and separate communities. Dispersal and absorption takes time, sometimes several generations, but it is simply untrue that you can extrapolate anything from current trends. Instead of fearmongering you would be better spending your time actively engaged in promoting policies which encourage the positive results of building cohesion and common purpose, rather than division. This is the typical left wing mantra in answer to obvious major problems - "It will all turn out fine".
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 17 Feb 22 12.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The consequences of Brexit can be seen now. The promised benefits are only obvious by their absence. The evidence for membership exists. It doesn't need to be known. It is known. You might not like it. I do. 71% of exporters say the brexit trade deal is costing them money and bad for business- but hey- that means 29% of them are happy-or can"t complete the form- whats not to like!
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Hrolf The Ganger 17 Feb 22 1.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Actually the precise reverse is true. As I have previously patiently tried to explain immigrants don't remain as immigrants. They become citizens. They gradually absorb our culture, attend our schools, watch our TV. I have little doubt we will increase our determination to make sure this happens effectively and avoid the creation of ghettos and separate communities. Dispersal and absorption takes time, sometimes several generations, but it is simply untrue that you can extrapolate anything from current trends. Instead of fearmongering you would be better spending your time actively engaged in promoting policies which encourage the positive results of building cohesion and common purpose, rather than division. Once again you are swerving the reality. Wrong. Mass immigration is on a scale never seen before in Britain. The numbers coming here now will not be absorbed, but will become dominant both genetically and culturally. To suggest otherwise is simple ignorance or dishonesty. There are historical examples of the existing British culture being swamped or replaced by outsiders when large numbers arrived relative to the existing population. This is not in dispute. There is plenty of evidence. This was not through warfare, but by assimilation. It is a simple question of how one wants Britain's future to look, or if one even cares. I already have three grandchildren, so I care to that extent. I also have sadness that everything that was my heritage and history will be erased and replaced with something that is regressive. That is already happening. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Feb 2022 1.29pm)
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 17 Feb 22 1.38pm | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
71% of exporters say the brexit trade deal is costing them money and bad for business- but hey- that means 29% of them are happy-or can"t complete the form- whats not to like! I do wonder how long we can keep the pretence up.
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Hrolf The Ganger 17 Feb 22 2.09pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I do wonder how long we can keep the pretence up. Those who are determined to find fault in Brexit will do so no matter what. In so many ways we are far better off being free of the clutches of Brussels centralism, and this will become clearer in the future I'm sure.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 17 Feb 22 2.53pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I do wonder how long we can keep the pretence up. We all know the truth, it"s just people don"t like to admit they have been had, so desperately cling on to any chance of something good coming out of this nonsense. Jacob said it could take 50 years to see any benefits- thats something to cling to at least!
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