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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 12.14pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Your politics is destroying it and your politics has already considerably downgraded it in terms of cohesion, average earnings and crime rate and no doubt other metrics. I predict that your future relations won't have the reassurance of owning their own property unlike the privilege and advantage you were allowed. In fact it's even probable that if they have any means to move that they won't even stay in this country. But hey, change and all that....the fact that its downgraded change for most doesn't appear to bother you. Your politics won't be blamed for nothing.....well it's being blamed by more and more....and considering we are all going to be poorer your globalism hard-on will come under more criticism in these coming years. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2022 10.59am) My politics have nothing to do with it. Climate change, wars, poverty and increased mobility are what's driving change. The changes we are seeing are just a small piece of a jigsaw that features the whole world. Us moving to a situation where owner occupation has permanently diminished may be regrettable, but looks inevitable. Change always brings some good, some bad. It's not whether it "bothers" me or not! It's whether you decide to fight battles that can be won, or waste energy trying to change things that cannot be changed. Globalism is not an option. It's a fact. You either make the best of it, or you get drowned by it. Criticism won't put bread on anyone's table.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 12.17pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
In which case, you should be very keen to stop illegal immigration and the majority of legal immigration to minimize the obvious consequences of the current trend. Of course, I want to stop illegal immigration. Wanting something, and finding practical, short-term, legal ways are not the same thing.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 25 Mar 22 12.38pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My politics have nothing to do with it. Climate change, wars, poverty and increased mobility are what's driving change. The changes we are seeing are just a small piece of a jigsaw that features the whole world. Us moving to a situation where owner occupation has permanently diminished may be regrettable, but looks inevitable. Change always brings some good, some bad. It's not whether it "bothers" me or not! It's whether you decide to fight battles that can be won, or waste energy trying to change things that cannot be changed. Globalism is not an option. It's a fact. You either make the best of it, or you get drowned by it. Criticism won't put bread on anyone's table. National governments should decide the policy of countries. Global trade does not have to equal uncontrolled migration or less autonomy.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Mar 22 12.48pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My politics have nothing to do with it. Climate change, wars, poverty and increased mobility are what's driving change. The changes we are seeing are just a small piece of a jigsaw that features the whole world. Us moving to a situation where owner occupation has permanently diminished may be regrettable, but looks inevitable. Change always brings some good, some bad. It's not whether it "bothers" me or not! It's whether you decide to fight battles that can be won, or waste energy trying to change things that cannot be changed. Globalism is not an option. It's a fact. You either make the best of it, or you get drowned by it. Criticism won't put bread on anyone's table. Utter drivel. Most of the world determines its own laws on who can come into its country, who can own what business and industry and so on....wealth, mobility or climate has nothing to do with it. The direction that nation's elites decide drives all of it. Whether it's Japan or what once was England. Your politics are a disaster and all the metrics reveal it. All you have are excuses. Someone like you shouldn't be allowed to live in a part of the country that has been largely unaffected by your politics. You are the height of hypocrisy.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 2.44pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
National governments should decide the policy of countries. Global trade does not have to equal uncontrolled migration or less autonomy. They do. That though doesn't mean that international events don't impact policy. Globalisation is not going to be reversed just because someone in the UK doesn't agree with it. We are affected by it and we either learn to use it to our benefit or we suffer the consequences of not trying.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Mar 22 2.56pm |
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I got my first two Ukrainian refugees at work. The first two of many. Ireland is taking 20,000; all well and good except for we already can't afford rents or to buy houses. My kids are leaving, just like the old days. A country for old men.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 2.58pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Utter drivel. Most of the world determines its own laws on who can come into its country, who can own what business and industry and so on....wealth, mobility or climate has nothing to do with it. The direction that nation's elites decide drives all of it. Whether it's Japan or what once was England. Your politics are a disaster and all the metrics reveal it. All you have are excuses. Someone like you shouldn't be allowed to live in a part of the country that has been largely unaffected by your politics. You are the height of hypocrisy.
Of course, they do, and so they should. That though is not the point. The point is that whatever policies are adopted aren't going to impact the general direction of the world, which we simply cannot isolate ourselves from. The world has changed, is continuing to change and will likely change even faster in the next 50/100 years. Only a fool thinks we can lift the drawbridge and isolate ourselves. Do that and we would starve. It's going to be hard enough as it is. We have shot ourselves in both feet with Brexit and will be hobbling along without any real direction or purpose for a while yet. How much harder do we want to make it by failing to accept the realities of globalisation and learning not just to live with them, but to exploit them and prosper? Why you choose to again refer to where I have decided to retire beats me. Are you envious?. I have lived all over the UK, and still travel a lot. I reckon I probably have seen more of the world and it's problems, let alone just the UK, these past few years than most people. Where I call home isn't relevant.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 25 Mar 22 3.14pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They do. That though doesn't mean that international events don't impact policy. Globalisation is not going to be reversed just because someone in the UK doesn't agree with it. We are affected by it and we either learn to use it to our benefit or we suffer the consequences of not trying. And you think that means that we should just allow immigration to happen without intervention? Globalisation should be about trade, communication and slow remote homogenising of culture via the aforementioned. It should not mean the replacement of culture, heritage and genes via mass migration.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 5.32pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And you think that means that we should just allow immigration to happen without intervention? Globalisation should be about trade, communication and slow remote homogenising of culture via the aforementioned. It should not mean the replacement of culture, heritage and genes via mass migration. Where have I, or anyone else, ever said that? Don't be ridiculous. Of course, we need to do all we can to plan and control entry, so we can manage things properly. We also need to deal with humanitarian crises and refugees. Finding ways to discourage and control illegal immigration is a monstrous problem that is simple to solve if all you have to do is sit and type words at a keyboard. Doing it in the real world aint that simple. If it was, it would have been done.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Mar 22 6.42pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course, they do, and so they should. That though is not the point. The point is that whatever policies are adopted aren't going to impact the general direction of the world, which we simply cannot isolate ourselves from. The world has changed, is continuing to change and will likely change even faster in the next 50/100 years. Only a fool thinks we can lift the drawbridge and isolate ourselves. Do that and we would starve. It's going to be hard enough as it is. We have shot ourselves in both feet with Brexit and will be hobbling along without any real direction or purpose for a while yet. How much harder do we want to make it by failing to accept the realities of globalisation and learning not just to live with them, but to exploit them and prosper? Why you choose to again refer to where I have decided to retire beats me. Are you envious?. I have lived all over the UK, and still travel a lot. I reckon I probably have seen more of the world and it's problems, let alone just the UK, these past few years than most people. Where I call home isn't relevant. All countries deal with change, the idea that social conservatism doesn't or doesn't recognise it only comes from you. The debate is about how change affects a country. There are first world countries like Japan that have better standards of living than us that don't agree with this change in the senses that you do. I point to all of the social metrics where your politics has been a disaster and Japan for example....on those same metrics of cohesion, wages, crime rates, immigration does so much better, due to its homogeneous society. As for the hypocrisy of where you chose to retire, I think it says everything about you. There are what people say and then there are what they do.....I will always criticise hypocrites. No, I don't think you deserve to live there, I think you should live your principles and live in a highly multicultural area, because that's the consequences of your politics. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2022 6.43pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 25 Mar 22 6.43pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Where have I, or anyone else, ever said that? Don't be ridiculous. Of course, we need to do all we can to plan and control entry, so we can manage things properly. We also need to deal with humanitarian crises and refugees. Finding ways to discourage and control illegal immigration is a monstrous problem that is simple to solve if all you have to do is sit and type words at a keyboard. Doing it in the real world aint that simple. If it was, it would have been done. I want the people we elect to make decisions to actually do something rather than passing the buck.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 7.27pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
All countries deal with change, the idea that social conservatism doesn't or doesn't recognise it only comes from you. The debate is about how change affects a country. There are first world countries like Japan that have better standards of living than us that don't agree with this change in the senses that you do. I point to all of the social metrics where your politics has been a disaster and Japan for example....on those same metrics of cohesion, wages, crime rates, immigration does so much better, due to its homogeneous society. As for the hypocrisy of where you chose to retire, I think it says everything about you. There are what people say and then there are what they do.....I will always criticise hypocrites. No, I don't think you deserve to live there, I think you should live your principles and live in a highly multicultural area, because that's the consequences of your politics. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2022 6.43pm) You are trying to compare chalk with cheese! Japan doesn't face the same challenges as we, and the rest of Europe, does. It doesn't have Africa just across the Mediterranean. It is though, quietly, accepting many more immigrants than you seem to realise. They though arrive legally. The opportunities for illegal immigration being almost non-existent. It's estimated around 4,000 entered from China in the last 5 1/2 years. The idea that where anyone chooses to live makes them a hypocrite beats me. I have long wanted to retire here. I couldn't afford to live in London, even if I like city life, which I don't. Not because of who does, but simply because I prefer peace and quiet to rush and noise. I don't care a jot what the background of my neighbours is, so long as they are also quiet and peaceful.
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