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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 15 Nov 17 9.48pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

"I wish I could fly way up in the sky but I can't"

[Orville 1984]

I Taut I Taw a Puddy-Cat [Tweety Pie]

(Apologies to anyone with a speech impediment)

Edited by hedgehog50 (15 Nov 2017 9.50pm)

 


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Originally posted by Kermit8

"I wish I could fly way up in the sky but I can't"

[Orville 1984]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!


(Buddy Holly 1959)

 

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Rubin Flag 15 Nov 17 9.49pm Send a Private Message to Rubin Add Rubin as a friend

Originally posted by legaleagle

I based my view on TR himself.My view was based on TR's own Twitter post,which I quoted on this thread earlier this week. "I have had an amazing time with polish patriots marching against Islam . Polish pride is something else." Did you read it?

Funny that his opposition to all kinds of extremism doesn't seem to include the following openly on display at the march:

One banner read: “White Europe of brotherly nations,” while upon another was written: “Pray for Islamic Holocaust.” Chants of “pure Poland, white Poland” and "refugees get out” were reported and others waved flags adorned with far-right insignia.One participant told the state-run TVP he was marching “to remove Jewry from power.” Opposition to extremism in action indeed.

Edited by legaleagle (15 Nov 2017 9.12pm)

Have you got a problem with content of his tweet, or is it that you think he's hypocritical for opposing Islam whilst not at the same time condemning the slogans on the banners and the groups displaying them, because they're also extremist?

Is there any photographic evidence of the banners? The 'Pure Poland' one, according to TR who asked one of the march organisers what it meant, means a 'drug and alcohol free' Poland. The others, unless you can find some photographic evidence, I'd be highly sceptical that they were actually waved. The images of them could be a powerful tool in the fight against the supposed rise of the 'far right', so it'd be surprising that whoever claims to have seen them didn't take a photo.

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 15 Nov 17 9.53pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Rubin

Have you got a problem with content of his tweet, or is it that you think he's hypocritical for opposing Islam whilst not at the same time condemning the slogans on the banners and the groups displaying them, because they're also extremist?

Is there any photographic evidence of the banners? The 'Pure Poland' one, according to TR who asked one of the march organisers what it meant, means a 'drug and alcohol free' Poland. The others, unless you can find some photographic evidence, I'd be highly sceptical that they were actually waved. The images of them could be a powerful tool in the fight against the supposed rise of the 'far right', so it'd be surprising that whoever claims to have seen them didn't take a photo.

"The Polish president has condemned expressions of xenophobia and racism at a weekend march by nationalists, saying there is no place in the country for antisemitism and “sick nationalism.”

It was the strongest and first unequivocal condemnation by a representative of the country’s conservative leadership of the white supremacist and racist views expressed by some of the 60,000 people who took part in a march on Saturday’s Independence Day holiday in Warsaw.


Government members over the past two days had mostly described participants as patriots and played down the nature of the xenophobic messages.

But Jewish groups called on the Polish authorities to condemn the message of banners with slogans such as “pure blood, clear mind” or “Europe will be white or uninhabited” that some nationalists carried at a march on 11 November – the anniversary of Polish independence from Russia, Austria and Germany at the end of the first world war.

Though many families took part in the march, the event was organised by far-right groups and some carried banners with slogans like “White Europe of brotherly nations” or had flags with Celtic crosses – a white supremacist symbol.

There were also antisemitic and anti-Muslim slogans and chants. One large banner read “Deus Vult” in Gothic lettering. Latin for “God wills it,” it was a cry used during the First Crusade in the 11th century, when a Christian army from Europe slaughtered Jews and Muslims in the Holy Land. In recent years, it has been used by the radical right to show hostility to Islam.

President Andrzej Duda said that “there is no place in Poland” for xenophobia, pathological nationalism and antisemitism and that the country must remain a land open to all who want to come together and work for the good of the nation.

He said it makes no difference if a person’s father was “German, Jewish, Belarusian, Russian, or whatever”.

The Guardian

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Nov 2017 9.55pm)

 


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Rubin Flag 15 Nov 17 10.12pm Send a Private Message to Rubin Add Rubin as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

"The Polish president has condemned expressions of xenophobia and racism at a weekend march by nationalists, saying there is no place in the country for antisemitism and “sick nationalism.”

It was the strongest and first unequivocal condemnation by a representative of the country’s conservative leadership of the white supremacist and racist views expressed by some of the 60,000 people who took part in a march on Saturday’s Independence Day holiday in Warsaw.


Government members over the past two days had mostly described participants as patriots and played down the nature of the xenophobic messages.

But Jewish groups called on the Polish authorities to condemn the message of banners with slogans such as “pure blood, clear mind” or “Europe will be white or uninhabited” that some nationalists carried at a march on 11 November – the anniversary of Polish independence from Russia, Austria and Germany at the end of the first world war.

Though many families took part in the march, the event was organised by far-right groups and some carried banners with slogans like “White Europe of brotherly nations” or had flags with Celtic crosses – a white supremacist symbol.

There were also antisemitic and anti-Muslim slogans and chants. One large banner read “Deus Vult” in Gothic lettering. Latin for “God wills it,” it was a cry used during the First Crusade in the 11th century, when a Christian army from Europe slaughtered Jews and Muslims in the Holy Land. In recent years, it has been used by the radical right to show hostility to Islam.

President Andrzej Duda said that “there is no place in Poland” for xenophobia, pathological nationalism and antisemitism and that the country must remain a land open to all who want to come together and work for the good of the nation.

He said it makes no difference if a person’s father was “German, Jewish, Belarusian, Russian, or whatever”.

The Guardian

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Nov 2017 9.55pm)

Still no photographic evidence, but let's say for arguments sake that they were displayed.

TR says in the video (I really recommend that you and legal watch it, opposing view points are really interesting to hear) that there were around 100,000 on the march.

Considering it was a march to show Polish pride, do you not think that it would inevitably attract 'far-right' groups who will be looking for every opportunity to get out in public and promote their bigotry? Does it mean that the other 99,000 who were there are on board with the slogans on their banners?

I really recommend that you watch the video.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 15 Nov 17 10.37pm

Originally posted by Rubin

Still no photographic evidence, but let's say for arguments sake that they were displayed.

TR says in the video (I really recommend that you and legal watch it, opposing view points are really interesting to hear) that there were around 100,000 on the march.

Considering it was a march to show Polish pride, do you not think that it would inevitably attract 'far-right' groups who will be looking for every opportunity to get out in public and promote their bigotry? Does it mean that the other 99,000 who were there are on board with the slogans on their banners?

I really recommend that you watch the video.

Just as in Stalin's Russia, when fantastical stories of fascist plots were used to justify purges and show trials, the current left use the same bogeyman tactics to call for restrictions on the free speech of those they disagree with.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Nov 17 11.18pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

"The Polish president has condemned expressions of xenophobia and racism at a weekend march by nationalists, saying there is no place in the country for antisemitism and “sick nationalism.”

It was the strongest and first unequivocal condemnation by a representative of the country’s conservative leadership of the white supremacist and racist views expressed by some of the 60,000 people who took part in a march on Saturday’s Independence Day holiday in Warsaw.


Government members over the past two days had mostly described participants as patriots and played down the nature of the xenophobic messages.

But Jewish groups called on the Polish authorities to condemn the message of banners with slogans such as “pure blood, clear mind” or “Europe will be white or uninhabited” that some nationalists carried at a march on 11 November – the anniversary of Polish independence from Russia, Austria and Germany at the end of the first world war.

Though many families took part in the march, the event was organised by far-right groups and some carried banners with slogans like “White Europe of brotherly nations” or had flags with Celtic crosses – a white supremacist symbol.

There were also antisemitic and anti-Muslim slogans and chants. One large banner read “Deus Vult” in Gothic lettering. Latin for “God wills it,” it was a cry used during the First Crusade in the 11th century, when a Christian army from Europe slaughtered Jews and Muslims in the Holy Land. In recent years, it has been used by the radical right to show hostility to Islam.

President Andrzej Duda said that “there is no place in Poland” for xenophobia, pathological nationalism and antisemitism and that the country must remain a land open to all who want to come together and work for the good of the nation.

He said it makes no difference if a person’s father was “German, Jewish, Belarusian, Russian, or whatever”.

The Guardian

Edited by Kermit8 (15 Nov 2017 9.55pm)

It is inevitable that any demonstration on this scale will attract fringe political entities who share a few common goals.

People need to stop flapping about stuff that has gone on forever. It's boring.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 15 Nov 17 11.35pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is inevitable that any demonstration on this scale will attract fringe political entities who share a few common goals.

People need to stop flapping about stuff that has gone on forever. It's boring.

Hmm. Hark back to left wing marches where many posters on here equated the whole lot of the march with a few nobbers who turned up to cause bovver. And boy didnt the go on about it.

Boots on the other foot...

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 15 Nov 17 11.37pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is inevitable that any demonstration on this scale will attract fringe political entities who share a few common goals.

People need to stop flapping about stuff that has gone on forever. It's boring.

Yes, silly Polish President. What does he know about the level of extremism in his country.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Nov 17 11.41pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Hmm. Hark back to left wing marches where many posters on here equated the whole lot of the march with a few nobbers who turned up to cause bovver. And boy didnt the go on about it.

Boots on the other foot...

Well, I agree that using this kind of stuff as scaremongering is daft with regard to marches.

It's a little different when we are talking about her majesty's opposition.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Nov 2017 11.42pm)

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Yes, silly Polish President. What does he know about the level of extremism in his country.

Yes, he wouldn't say anything just to keep the minorities on side would he.

 

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Rubin Flag 15 Nov 17 11.51pm Send a Private Message to Rubin Add Rubin as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Yes, silly Polish President. What does he know about the level of extremism in his country.

The video is really informative, and I'd like to know your opinion of the content.

TR mentions in it now he even managed to have an amicable discussion with one of the Antifa leaders, after which they shook hands. Shame that can't happen here, instead of the response that I've seen in various videos from the 'further' left, which is normally something along the lines of 'I don't talk to Nazis'.

 

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