Many chances have been missed, mainly at home, which indicates some kind of mental issue which the manager needs to fix.

There were not many fans complaining about reasonable chances missed against Spurs, as we didnt have any.

Poor conversion rate is definitely a factor, dont get me wrong, but to absolve Hodgson and his defeatist negative rigid tactics and team selections from any blame for the malaise this year is quite ridiculous too.

Interesting to see Southampton - a team placed below us - taking on Liverpool - a team placed above Spurs:

Trying to take on the game, playing well, leading 1 - 0.

They may end up loosing 1 - 2, but if they had been managed by Hodgson, they wouldn’t attack, defend with 11 players, and loose 0 - something!

To say nothing about entertainment...

Benteke came to national attention for the bucket load of chances he missed last season and got the yips in front of goal. He’s also missed significant spells with injury both this and last. But Roy has ruined him by not providing enough service.

Nobody is doing that. It's a results business and results have been disappointing. But people such as you want to lay all the blame for whatever doesn't satisfy you at Hodgson's door.

And if you want to talk about the ridiculous, then your assertion that you'd rather see Palace relegated playing good football than Hodgson continue certainly fits into that category.

I didnt say I would rather see us go down, playing better football, I said I have the ball strength to throw the dice on that for the sake of better football. But thats obvious, when Roy goes, we need a new manager, and if we find one quite as negative, defeatist and timid as Roy, I would be amazed.

If Hodgson was 45 years old, I might be inclined to agree that we should let him carry on, but he is not.

We have some players at the club who are being negatively affected by his overly cautious and boring approach to football games. Zaha springs to mind.

It boils down to ball strength, if we have enough then we should move on from Roy now, and try to get a younger manager in who is tactically more flexible and forward thinking.

Could that go tits up? You bet, but RH is leaving anyway at the end of next year, and we are kicking the can down the road - the issue needs to be dealt with.

If you are going to go to Tottenham, and play long ball, dont pick a small mobile striker who likes to run in behind, who cannot hold it up.

Its not rocket science.

Remember England under Hodgson? Shackled, timid, afraid, same s*** as most of the last 25 years or so.

Look at them now. Shackles off, free flowing, confident, enjoying their football.

We need some have some guts and move on from this soon to be retired manager.

Very good ME, there can be no practical argument against what you say here. I would add to that by looking at the way the top 2 teams in the country currently play. High pressing, fast flowing football that relies on quick interplay between a flexible attack who can slot into each other’s positions. We unfortunately are a one trick pony insofar as we sit in a rigid formation that sinks deeper and deeper as we get under more and more pressure with the occasional relief of a counter attack where we look to try and nick a goal.

Roy without doubt has a system that works to get you a certain amount of points per season, but it is not forward thinking and is not entertaining. I believe we have good enough players to play in a more expansive manner and that’s where I 100% agree that if we want to improve as a team then we need a different approach and ultimately that means a different manager.

I don’t agree with the argument that we have tried this already with Pardew and FdeB, they were just the wrong people for the job. The former had no idea about defending and the latter, well, absolutely no idea about football at all based on his latest managerial history. If we can find a manager that can combine the defensive organisation of Roy with the forward play of Pardew then we will I believe progress to a different level. As Maine Eagle has pointed out, we are currently stifling the talent that we have and it isn’t pretty to watch.

The next managerial appointment is massive for Palace not only to improve us but to show the talented individuals within our squad that we want to play to their strengths. Over to you SP, it’s not going to be easy but the next appointment is critical and it has to come this summer.