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Quote dannyh at 20 Aug 2015 1.29pm
Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 12.40pm
Interesting. Clearly some people are "racist" through hatred and ignorance however it begs the question, how much or what should one tolerate in order not to be branded "racist". Free speech is definitely being eroded in that area for political reasons, which is nothing new in itself, but it does lead to situations where we have to endure things like the mistreatment of women for example. This is a situation where we are aghast at abuse of rights of one group, by our standards, but are clearly at odds with the so called religious rights of others. Bigotry and hatred are ugly things and if we see those things in ourselves we must purge them, however,
Sure in the past immigrants were positively encouraged to make a new start in Britain as our men were off fighting wars and there was a definite labour gap and we drew on the members of the common wealth (and what was left of the empire) to fill that gap, and improve/stabilise the economy. But I dont think you can blame the utter nonsense of Political correctness on economics, I don't know how precisely it came into being but if memory serves labour certainly had a hand in it's introduction and development. I will admit that some aspects (very few) are beneficial, but the downsides far out way the good, take the Rotherham sex abuse scandal as one example of how being PC lead to devastating results.I just want to remind you what can happen when this fear of someone calling the race card on you, can go horribly wrong. Professor Alexis Jay, former chief inspector of social work in Scotland filed a report on the Rotherham abuse scandal. An official report from Professor Alexis Jay, the former chief inspector of social work in Scotland, revealed that no fewer than 1,400 girls in the area, some of them as young as 11, had been systematically targeted, raped and assaulted over a 16-year period. The scale of the abuse was horrendous, the violence harrowing. The key fact about this brutal crime wave was that almost all the predators were men of pakistani and Kashmiri origin, while the majority of their victims were white. That is precisely why the abuse went on so long and the terrible suffering of the girls was ignored. The authorities in Rotherham failed to act because the race-fixated dogma of anti-discrimination meant that they had completely lost their moral bearings and every last vestige of compassion Since the publication of the report, the media has been full of bewildered cries asking why this scandal was allowed to happen. But there is no mystery. The fashionable political orthodoxy that has gripped much of the public sector, especially social work, holds that, in racially prejudiced Britain, ethnic minorities are perpetual victims and white people their oppressors. Immersed in this doctrine the social services and police shamefully refused to confront the reality of predatory Muslim gangs attacking white girls. Further more. Professor Jay records that, though almost all the offenders were pakistanis, "some people in the council and the police wanted to play down the ethnic dimension", while frontline staff were unsure how to speak out "for fear of being thought racist". The staff who did nothing for years are a disgrace to their profession. What is particularly sickening is their desperation to cover up the abuse in their attempt to maintain the illusion that cultural diversity was working in Rotherham. In the twisted mindset of the authorities, protecting their cherished dogma of multiculturalism was far more important than protecting vulnerable girls. That attitude is also highlighted in another passage in the report, where Professor Jay reveals that officials were fearful of tackling the Muslim gangs "because it might damage community cohesion". But that just demonstrates the grotesque logical absurdity of multiculturalism. On a much smaller scale, I have witnessed it myself in McDonalds in W.Croydon, a Black girl was boasting to her friends about how she would get a free meal, she went up to the counter, and without ordering anything just started creating and calling the burger flipper racist, (notable point being she chose the only white male serving). The lad never even got chance to ask her what she wanted, que manager coming over and fawning apologising like it was going out of style etc etc and yes she got a free meal. Yes it's trivial, but not to the lad that may have lost his job. In Summary then Political correctness is a tangable thing we created to aid multiculturalism, it is now mainly used to deflect, escape, deny, hide, the fact that multiculturalism in it's current guise, in large parts of the country, is a failed experiment, and my view the route cause of its failing, can be traced right back to the fear of speaking out. (Political Correctness). Edited by dannyh (20 Aug 2015 1.35pm) Edited by dannyh (20 Aug 2015 1.38pm)
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Quote nickgusset at 20 Aug 2015 1.41pm
Quote fed up eagle at 20 Aug 2015 1.08pm
Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 12.40pm
Interesting. Clearly some people are "racist" through hatred and ignorance however it begs the question, how much or what should one tolerate in order not to be branded "racist". Free speech is definitely being eroded in that area for political reasons, which is nothing new in itself, but it does lead to situations where we have to endure things like the mistreatment of women for example. This is a situation where we are aghast at abuse of rights of one group, by our standards, but are clearly at odds with the so called religious rights of others. Bigotry and hatred are ugly things and if we see those things in ourselves we must purge them, however,
In the context of this discussion, can you please define the word 'racist' and how it applies to the people to whom you refer. Ta.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 20 Aug 15 2.08pm |
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Quote DanH at 20 Aug 2015 1.41pm
Quote dannyh at 20 Aug 2015 1.29pm
Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 12.40pm
Interesting. Clearly some people are "racist" through hatred and ignorance however it begs the question, how much or what should one tolerate in order not to be branded "racist". Free speech is definitely being eroded in that area for political reasons, which is nothing new in itself, but it does lead to situations where we have to endure things like the mistreatment of women for example. This is a situation where we are aghast at abuse of rights of one group, by our standards, but are clearly at odds with the so called religious rights of others. Bigotry and hatred are ugly things and if we see those things in ourselves we must purge them, however,
Sure in the past immigrants were positively encouraged to make a new start in Britain as our men were off fighting wars and there was a definite labour gap and we drew on the members of the common wealth (and what was left of the empire) to fill that gap, and improve/stabilise the economy. But I dont think you can blame the utter nonsense of Political correctness on economics, I don't know how precisely it came into being but if memory serves labour certainly had a hand in it's introduction and development. I will admit that some aspects (very few) are beneficial, but the downsides far out way the good, take the Rotherham sex abuse scandal as one example of how being PC lead to devastating results.I just want to remind you what can happen when this fear of someone calling the race card on you, can go horribly wrong. Professor Alexis Jay, former chief inspector of social work in Scotland filed a report on the Rotherham abuse scandal. An official report from Professor Alexis Jay, the former chief inspector of social work in Scotland, revealed that no fewer than 1,400 girls in the area, some of them as young as 11, had been systematically targeted, raped and assaulted over a 16-year period. The scale of the abuse was horrendous, the violence harrowing. The key fact about this brutal crime wave was that almost all the predators were men of pakistani and Kashmiri origin, while the majority of their victims were white. That is precisely why the abuse went on so long and the terrible suffering of the girls was ignored. The authorities in Rotherham failed to act because the race-fixated dogma of anti-discrimination meant that they had completely lost their moral bearings and every last vestige of compassion Since the publication of the report, the media has been full of bewildered cries asking why this scandal was allowed to happen. But there is no mystery. The fashionable political orthodoxy that has gripped much of the public sector, especially social work, holds that, in racially prejudiced Britain, ethnic minorities are perpetual victims and white people their oppressors. Immersed in this doctrine the social services and police shamefully refused to confront the reality of predatory Muslim gangs attacking white girls. Further more. Professor Jay records that, though almost all the offenders were pakistanis, "some people in the council and the police wanted to play down the ethnic dimension", while frontline staff were unsure how to speak out "for fear of being thought racist". The staff who did nothing for years are a disgrace to their profession. What is particularly sickening is their desperation to cover up the abuse in their attempt to maintain the illusion that cultural diversity was working in Rotherham. In the twisted mindset of the authorities, protecting their cherished dogma of multiculturalism was far more important than protecting vulnerable girls. That attitude is also highlighted in another passage in the report, where Professor Jay reveals that officials were fearful of tackling the Muslim gangs "because it might damage community cohesion". But that just demonstrates the grotesque logical absurdity of multiculturalism. On a much smaller scale, I have witnessed it myself in McDonalds in W.Croydon, a Black girl was boasting to her friends about how she would get a free meal, she went up to the counter, and without ordering anything just started creating and calling the burger flipper racist, (notable point being she chose the only white male serving). The lad never even got chance to ask her what she wanted, que manager coming over and fawning apologising like it was going out of style etc etc and yes she got a free meal. Yes it's trivial, but not to the lad that may have lost his job. In Summary then Political correctness is a tangable thing we created to aid multiculturalism, it is now mainly used to deflect, escape, deny, hide, the fact that multiculturalism in it's current guise, in large parts of the country, is a failed experiment, and my view the route cause of its failing, can be traced right back to the fear of speaking out. (Political Correctness). Edited by dannyh (20 Aug 2015 1.35pm) Edited by dannyh (20 Aug 2015 1.38pm)
Whilst moderately funny, why don't you try and argue my post instead, you puddle skipper.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 20 Aug 15 2.12pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 20 Aug 2015 1.41pm
Quote fed up eagle at 20 Aug 2015 1.08pm
Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 12.40pm
Interesting. Clearly some people are "racist" through hatred and ignorance however it begs the question, how much or what should one tolerate in order not to be branded "racist". Free speech is definitely being eroded in that area for political reasons, which is nothing new in itself, but it does lead to situations where we have to endure things like the mistreatment of women for example. This is a situation where we are aghast at abuse of rights of one group, by our standards, but are clearly at odds with the so called religious rights of others. Bigotry and hatred are ugly things and if we see those things in ourselves we must purge them, however,
And the term people throw about when they can't win an argument on anything, anything at all to do with politics, religion, immigration, capitalism etc etc.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Aug 15 2.40pm |
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Quote dannyh at 20 Aug 2015 2.12pm
Quote nickgusset at 20 Aug 2015 1.41pm
Quote fed up eagle at 20 Aug 2015 1.08pm
Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 12.40pm
Interesting. Clearly some people are "racist" through hatred and ignorance however it begs the question, how much or what should one tolerate in order not to be branded "racist". Free speech is definitely being eroded in that area for political reasons, which is nothing new in itself, but it does lead to situations where we have to endure things like the mistreatment of women for example. This is a situation where we are aghast at abuse of rights of one group, by our standards, but are clearly at odds with the so called religious rights of others. Bigotry and hatred are ugly things and if we see those things in ourselves we must purge them, however,
And the term people throw about when they can't win an argument on anything, anything at all to do with politics, religion, immigration, capitalism etc etc.
What if you hated the melchester rovers captain? Would that make you a Roy Racist?
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| TheJudge 20 Aug 15 2.43pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 20 Aug 2015 1.41pm
Quote fed up eagle at 20 Aug 2015 1.08pm
Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 12.40pm
Interesting. Clearly some people are "racist" through hatred and ignorance however it begs the question, how much or what should one tolerate in order not to be branded "racist". Free speech is definitely being eroded in that area for political reasons, which is nothing new in itself, but it does lead to situations where we have to endure things like the mistreatment of women for example. This is a situation where we are aghast at abuse of rights of one group, by our standards, but are clearly at odds with the so called religious rights of others. Bigotry and hatred are ugly things and if we see those things in ourselves we must purge them, however,
True. But equally "racism" has become a weapon which allows people of every colour other that snow white to justify everything they say and do. It seems that this aspect is ignored by those who wish to paint anyone with white skin who wishes to protect their way of life as evil. It is a two ways street.
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Quote dannyh at 20 Aug 2015 1.29pm
But that just demonstrates the grotesque logical absurdity of multiculturalism. I don't think it really highlights the absurdity of multiculturalism, per se, but the failures of people to show a degree of perspective in the face of reality. The real point they missed is that it makes no difference what race or ethnicity some child abuser is, the authority who's role it is to protect children in society should act against individuals involved in abuse. The reality is that the individuals involved failed those children in exactly the same way that authorities in the past did with regard to celebrities, the church, care home workers by placing their own interests and fears before the people regarded as 'unimportant', typically at risk kids in care, a group that traditionally has been exposed to abusers and any complaints ignored by authorities. My concern was that the big issue that gets made about a pedophile ring made up of people who are pakistani, and the focus by people on their race and religion as if that was somehow significant or important, when in reality its a crime that prospers because of convenience (the kids are vulnerable, the abusers have access and those tasked to protect them see the grief as more important than their job). The 'fear of racism' is probably bulls***. Its the same old thing that's been going on for decades, people and society doesn't really care too much about these kinds of children and youth. The failures of the authority charged with protecting them against abuse has failed time and time again to protect their wards on as basis of it being inconvenient for them to do so. I'd say, it doesn't matter if you're black, white, muslim, Christian, culturally sensitive or insensitive, if you're letting people abuse children because it might 'make waves' you have no excuse.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Aug 15 2.53pm |
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Quote dannyh at 20 Aug 2015 2.12pm
Quote nickgusset at 20 Aug 2015 1.41pm
Quote fed up eagle at 20 Aug 2015 1.08pm
Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 12.40pm
Interesting. Clearly some people are "racist" through hatred and ignorance however it begs the question, how much or what should one tolerate in order not to be branded "racist". Free speech is definitely being eroded in that area for political reasons, which is nothing new in itself, but it does lead to situations where we have to endure things like the mistreatment of women for example. This is a situation where we are aghast at abuse of rights of one group, by our standards, but are clearly at odds with the so called religious rights of others. Bigotry and hatred are ugly things and if we see those things in ourselves we must purge them, however,
And the term people throw about when they can't win an argument on anything, anything at all to do with politics, religion, immigration, capitalism etc etc.
I'd say its also used by some people in reverse, so they say they 'afraid of being called racist' to justify their failure to act or do something.
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Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 2.43pm
Quote nickgusset at 20 Aug 2015 1.41pm
Quote fed up eagle at 20 Aug 2015 1.08pm
Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 12.40pm
Interesting. Clearly some people are "racist" through hatred and ignorance however it begs the question, how much or what should one tolerate in order not to be branded "racist". Free speech is definitely being eroded in that area for political reasons, which is nothing new in itself, but it does lead to situations where we have to endure things like the mistreatment of women for example. This is a situation where we are aghast at abuse of rights of one group, by our standards, but are clearly at odds with the so called religious rights of others. Bigotry and hatred are ugly things and if we see those things in ourselves we must purge them, however,
True. But equally "racism" has become a weapon which allows people of every colour other that snow white to justify everything they say and do. It seems that this aspect is ignored by those who wish to paint anyone with white skin who wishes to protect their way of life as evil. It is a two ways street. Some people, is the important word here. Some people are just self serving. Of course plenty of people will write of a valid complaint on the basis that someone's or a group has been accused of being racist - or will go to surprising lengths to defend why something that might be racist might be justified.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 20 Aug 2015 2.56pm
Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 2.43pm
Quote nickgusset at 20 Aug 2015 1.41pm
Quote fed up eagle at 20 Aug 2015 1.08pm
Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 12.40pm
Interesting. Clearly some people are "racist" through hatred and ignorance however it begs the question, how much or what should one tolerate in order not to be branded "racist". Free speech is definitely being eroded in that area for political reasons, which is nothing new in itself, but it does lead to situations where we have to endure things like the mistreatment of women for example. This is a situation where we are aghast at abuse of rights of one group, by our standards, but are clearly at odds with the so called religious rights of others. Bigotry and hatred are ugly things and if we see those things in ourselves we must purge them, however,
True. But equally "racism" has become a weapon which allows people of every colour other that snow white to justify everything they say and do. It seems that this aspect is ignored by those who wish to paint anyone with white skin who wishes to protect their way of life as evil. It is a two ways street. Some people, is the important word here. Some people are just self serving. Of course plenty of people will write of a valid complaint on the basis that someone's or a group has been accused of being racist - or will go to surprising lengths to defend why something that might be racist might be justified.
For some reason however, some people are deluded enough to think that they occupy the moral high ground by constantly defending the rights of others while neglecting the rights of their own. It is a strange phenomenon. Edited by TheJudge (20 Aug 2015 3.13pm)
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Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 3.12pm
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Quote fed up eagle at 20 Aug 2015 1.08pm
Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 12.40pm
Interesting. Clearly some people are "racist" through hatred and ignorance however it begs the question, how much or what should one tolerate in order not to be branded "racist". Free speech is definitely being eroded in that area for political reasons, which is nothing new in itself, but it does lead to situations where we have to endure things like the mistreatment of women for example. This is a situation where we are aghast at abuse of rights of one group, by our standards, but are clearly at odds with the so called religious rights of others. Bigotry and hatred are ugly things and if we see those things in ourselves we must purge them, however,
True. But equally "racism" has become a weapon which allows people of every colour other that snow white to justify everything they say and do. It seems that this aspect is ignored by those who wish to paint anyone with white skin who wishes to protect their way of life as evil. It is a two ways street. Some people, is the important word here. Some people are just self serving. Of course plenty of people will write of a valid complaint on the basis that someone's or a group has been accused of being racist - or will go to surprising lengths to defend why something that might be racist might be justified.
For some reason however, some people are deluded enough to think that they occupy the moral high ground by constantly defending the rights of others while neglecting the rights of their own. It is a strange phenomenon. Edited by TheJudge (20 Aug 2015 3.13pm) White peoples problems, are they like first world problems? I don't really see my own, and others. Just people.
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Quote nickgusset at 20 Aug 2015 1.41pm
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Quote TheJudge at 20 Aug 2015 12.40pm
Interesting. Clearly some people are "racist" through hatred and ignorance however it begs the question, how much or what should one tolerate in order not to be branded "racist". Free speech is definitely being eroded in that area for political reasons, which is nothing new in itself, but it does lead to situations where we have to endure things like the mistreatment of women for example. This is a situation where we are aghast at abuse of rights of one group, by our standards, but are clearly at odds with the so called religious rights of others. Bigotry and hatred are ugly things and if we see those things in ourselves we must purge them, however,
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