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Stirlingsays 26 Jun 17 5.42pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Come on...surely you aren't serious Cambridge. The EU want ever closer union. They want to pool sovereignty over Europe into a superstate whilst asking its people as little as possible how they feel about it. And you are asking about individual laws we don't like? Tell me Cambridge...You don't like Ukip....what individual laws did Ukip pass that you don't like or have a problem with? It's the principle.,,,,As well as the commitments within the treaties.
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elgrande bedford 26 Jun 17 5.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Come on...surely you aren't serious Cambridge. The EU want ever closer union. They want to pool sovereignty over Europe into a superstate whilst asking its people as little as possible how they feel about it. And you are asking about individual laws we don't like? Tell me Cambridge...You don't like Ukip....what individual laws did Ukip pass that you don't like or have a problem with? It's the principle.,,,,As well as the commitments within the treaties. Well I think the fishermen of the British isles still have a problem.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 26 Jun 17 5.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Come on...surely you aren't serious Cambridge. The EU want ever closer union. They want to pool sovereignty over Europe into a superstate whilst asking its people as little as possible how they feel about it. And you are asking about individual laws we don't like? Tell me Cambridge...You don't like Ukip....what individual laws did Ukip pass that you don't like or have a problem with? It's the principle.,,,,As well as the commitments within the treaties. Name me a law UKIP have passed... I'm not against Brexit per se, and I tend to agree that the EU is in need of reform and there are significant problems with it in terms of the ability it affords countries to decide on how it regulates industry and the kind of industrial strategy that countries follow. I think there are a lot of admirable things about the EU though and plenty of rights it affords people which are good on a personal level and protections it provides to workers and the environment that I would be concerned would go under the Tories and need enhancing not eradicating. But it hampers a nation's ability to go further with those protections or make them more relevant. Brexit can be a success but won't be under the Tories.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 26 Jun 17 6.40pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Building regs do you mean? I doubt anyone unelected decided to impose a directive that simply said "domestic oil tanks should cost £1k extra". I imagine that any directive (which goes through the European Parliament - elected) would be designed to make such installations more environmentally friendly and safer and ensure that their installations is done properly, and not cutting corners is more expensive. Your question was "Can anyone name me some edict from an EU unelected official which has impacted negatively on their life?" I answered your question. The new regulations were entirely EU imposed.
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Stirlingsays 26 Jun 17 7.05pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Name me a law UKIP have passed... I'm not against Brexit per se, and I tend to agree that the EU is in need of reform and there are significant problems with it in terms of the ability it affords countries to decide on how it regulates industry and the kind of industrial strategy that countries follow. I think there are a lot of admirable things about the EU though and plenty of rights it affords people which are good on a personal level and protections it provides to workers and the environment that I would be concerned would go under the Tories and need enhancing not eradicating. But it hampers a nation's ability to go further with those protections or make them more relevant. Brexit can be a success but won't be under the Tories. Well the fact that Ukip haven't passed a law is kind of my point. They haven't affected you in law yet I bet you don't like them....mainly because of their influence and affect and how they affect the political climate. It's the same with the EU....it's just from the other side.....and the EU actually have massively more power than Ukip. You may think that the Tories can't handle leaving the EU but I completely disagree that Labour could get anything like as good a deal. We have already see the illogical positions Labour and your ideological bedfellow Keir have taken up....when seen against the ruthless nature of the EU I think your preference for Labour doesn't hold water. Having said that...if Labour were actually taking these talks I can't for the life of me believe they would be as accommodating as they put out.
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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Jun 17 7.40pm | |
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The Tories will be in power and Brexit will start off being a drastic failure, then a few years later the economy will show little green shoots, with the then need for increased immigration from Asia and Africa to fill the employment gaps helping it further, then it will go back to being a failure again. The Tories will still be in power and on Question Time the old Brexiteers will shout out that it has been a roaring success. And the majority will be confused, feeling poorer, witnessing still more and more immigration from non-EU countries, whilst they are being told how great it has been.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 26 Jun 17 8.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
The Tories will be in power and Brexit will start off being a drastic failure, then a few years later the economy will show little green shoots, with the then need for increased immigration from Asia and Africa to fill the employment gaps helping it further, then it will go back to being a failure again. The Tories will still be in power and on Question Time the old Brexiteers will shout out that it has been a roaring success. And the majority will be confused, feeling poorer, witnessing still more and more immigration from non-EU countries, whilst they are being told how great it has been. Go and live in Romania then. The joke is that you have more chance of seeing your socialist ideas implemented in an independent Britain than in the capitalist cartel of the EU. Of course, if they were, the doom and gloom that you predict for Brexit would occur many times over.
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Mstrobez 26 Jun 17 8.36pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Go and live in Romania then. The joke is that you have more chance of seeing your socialist ideas implemented in an independent Britain than in the capitalist cartel of the EU. Of course, if they were, the doom and gloom that you predict for Brexit would occur many times over. You bang on about how stupid socialism is yet you believe all the lies Farage has told you and are willing to trade economic prosperity for "sovereignty". It's incredible
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.TUX. 26 Jun 17 8.40pm | |
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As we know, two more Italian banks failed over the weekend-- Banco Popolare di Vicenza and Veneto Banca.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 26 Jun 17 8.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
You bang on about how stupid socialism is yet you believe all the lies Farage has told you and are willing to trade economic prosperity for "sovereignty". It's incredible I'm no great fan of Farage. Just ask East Europeans what they think about living under socialism. EU prosperity - ask the mass unemployed youth in Spain and Greece about that. Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Jun 2017 8.53pm)
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.TUX. 26 Jun 17 9.12pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I'm no great fan of Farage. Just ask East Europeans what they think about living under socialism. EU prosperity - ask the mass unemployed youth in Spain and Greece about that. Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Jun 2017 8.53pm) Sod the foreigners, why not just ask those closer to home how they feel about paying for privately owned institutions to be saved at a cost to the public.........which funnily enough includes your good self.
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Mstrobez 26 Jun 17 9.18pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I'm no great fan of Farage. Just ask East Europeans what they think about living under socialism. EU prosperity - ask the mass unemployed youth in Spain and Greece about that. Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Jun 2017 8.53pm) It's weird that, the UK has had slower economic growth in the last year than both of those countries. Wonder why?
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