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Teddy Eagle Flag 02 Nov 20 2.24pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I said about three months ago that I was talking to an ICU nurse in Croydon University Hospital. The first thing they do with COVID patients is put them on additional Vitamin D. Interesting at the time all patients had dark skin. Our Care Home GPs prescribe it for all residents.

Surprising that the benefits of vitamin D weren’t outlined in Doreen Lawrence’s investigation in the effects of Covid on the BAME community.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 02 Nov 20 2.47pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I fail to see even the slightest connection between my comment and your response.

By the way I made a typo. It should have read "vit D" and not C.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (02 Nov 2020 1.52pm)

Were you up last night checking your bones for rickets?

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Nov 20 4.07pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

In other good news the number of increase in positives has been falling for a week. Not exponential.

Let’s say if it didn’t and Kent to Cornwall had a problem in January or February, would they lockdown the whole of England?

Edited by Rudi Hedman (02 Nov 2020 4.48pm)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Nov 20 5.06pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Plus this looks like the R number has been falling, including NE & NW England. Guess we wait for explanation from Whitty & Valance when they get called to appear before MP’s to explain their lockdown evidence because the media aren’t allowed to it seems.

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 02 Nov 20 5.41pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Scenarios, projections or facts.

. It appears the Government doesn’t like facts, just bases everything on wild scenarios and projections from a limited amount of so called experts.

I thought after 7 months the scenarios and projections would be based on real evidence and numbers. You learn something every day!

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 02 Nov 20 6.08pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

As from Thursday EasyJet are stopping all flights from Gatwick

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 02 Nov 20 6.14pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I said about three months ago that I was talking to an ICU nurse in Croydon University Hospital. The first thing they do with COVID patients is put them on additional Vitamin D. Interesting at the time all patients had dark skin. Our Care Home GPs prescribe it for all residents.

What Vitamin D or dark skin?

 

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 02 Nov 20 6.39pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

SAGE should also have economists and business people or former business heads. There should be a mix of people from all areas affected. Hancock is running things too much. Initially he was impressive but at some point got carried away with himself and I think gets an endorphin rush from it.

Indeed Rudi, SAGE should have all of those. The modelling should be done by an outside group advised by the scientists, and the outcomes from the models discussed with economists as to which is the most favourable outcome. Otherwise, we are being advised by mathematicians, not scientists.

 


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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 02 Nov 20 6.48pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

As from Thursday EasyJet are stopping all flights from Gatwick

And I’d just sorted the spare room out for you Spidey!

 

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 02 Nov 20 7.17pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

That's the exact question I answered. I have no need to 'twist' anything, I'll leave that to you and your lamentable approach to communication.

"Not all illnesses and disease are identical. Covid-19 is very contagious... as pandemics tend to be... so it may well be both harder to avoid and also easier to be impacted by (death rate) than most other respiratory illnesses for instance. "


I'm not sure what is so hard for you to understand. It is perfectly possible during a very contagious pandemic for Covid to spread like wildfire, while many other deaths and illnesses become lower due to people taking steps to try and avoid said pandemic. Covid-19 deaths have never even happened before, and so by default even if rates of other deaths or illnesses fall due to the extensive measures put in place, Covid deaths can still be significant and will obviously 'rise'. Indeed that is clearly what has happened.

If you are trying to infer that these deaths are actually secretly being bunged in as Covid deaths I have already explained in quite some detail why that is not true. We're only part way though the flu season anyway (and there have even been recent years with 'lower' numbers. Just not the ones people choose to highlight). Yesterday I took the time to go 'step by step' through the provable disinformation regarding flu and pneumonia death numbers that frequently gets posted here and disingenuously attempts to push this false narrative. In the unlikely scenario that you wish to either read up or verify those facts for yourself you are more than welcome to.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Nov 2020 6.03am)

I know not all diseases are identical. I never said they were. You seem to think I don't know this. But you imply that C-19 is spreading like wildfire despite the vulnerable are already taking steps to avoid it. This virus is not going away soon. As has been proved in other countries which had harder lockdowns than us.

So if these vulnerable are not getting other respiratory diseases who is dying? The death rate is quite normal at the moment, even though we have reported cases hitting new highs. Also, why can we not return to normal? Acute fatigue syndrome has been around for years and is fairly rare.

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 02 Nov 20 7.21pm

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Well worth a look

 


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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 02 Nov 20 7.31pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I remember the suggestions about darker skins being less able to absorb Vit D but some of the other research is new. Like the sun's angle in the winter not being able to produce sufficient strength in the rays to penetrate the skin effectively. And you need it all year around. 2 weeks in the summer won't protect you through the winter. The study that found that over 50% of C19 deaths were of people who had low vit D levels is the really new information. Apparently across the whole population, 20% of us do.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (02 Nov 2020 1.35pm)

From NHS

Advice for adults and children over 4 years old

During the autumn and winter, you need to get vitamin D from your diet because the sun is not strong enough for the body to make vitamin D.

But since it's difficult for people to get enough vitamin D from food alone, everyone (including pregnant and breastfeeding women) should consider taking a daily supplement containing 10 micrograms of vitamin D during the autumn and winter.

Between late March/early April to the end of September, most people can get all the vitamin D they need through sunlight on their skin and from a balanced diet.

You may choose not to take a vitamin D supplement during these months.
People at risk of vitamin D deficiency

Some people will not get enough vitamin D from sunlight because they have very little or no sunshine exposure.

The Department of Health and Social Care recommends that you take a daily supplement containing 10 micrograms of vitamin D throughout the year if you:

are not often outdoors – for example, if you're frail or housebound
are in an institution like a care home
usually wear clothes that cover up most of your skin when outdoors

If you have dark skin – for example you have an African, African-Caribbean or south Asian background – you may also not get enough vitamin D from sunlight.

You should consider taking a daily supplement containing 10 micrograms of vitamin D throughout the year.

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This advice has been around for years. For the month or so that the sun is too week due to the angle of the Earth, you needn't worry too much. It takes a fair bit longer than that to get Rickets.

 


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