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 Stirlingsays  26 Jun 17 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Edited by Kermit8 (26 Jun 2017 1.45pm) I'm a working class cultural nationalist with a small 'n'. Tebbit was excellent in some areas but...I get the impression that he regarded the working class as a liability whereas I believe that the 'haves' and 'have lesses' will always be involved in a symbolic relationship and when one doesn't properly recognise the other....that's when the system doesn't work.
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| Hansy 26 Jun 17 3.03pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
They're elected by the MEPs, similar to how party leaders aren't elected. Now I think they should have to be elected to the EU Parliament, like anyone else, but they are the product of democratic process You will either vote for your local MP, or the party you want to succeed due to the leader. Leaders are also elected from the party membership. So you could have a say in that also if you really wanted. Far more democratic than the EU imo. EU President Tusk is nominated by the 27/28 EU leaders. That means 60% that didn't vote Tories might not approve of May's choice as an example. Edited by Hansy (26 Jun 2017 3.04pm)
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| Stirlingsays 26 Jun 17 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
At least I am not in denial of my roots and pretending and deluding myself that I am 100% English like a certain half-Irish Wisbech inhabitant, eh Stirling? ? What is one hundred percent English? It's culture that matters not genetics and I've never said anything different to that. You do speak some nonsense....Also my heritage roots are in Scotland just as much as northern Ireland, hence the name Stirling. Unlike you I don't have a silly romantic attachment to something I'm not....though this said...while I knock the 'progressive' politics of the SNP....I don't knock Scotland itself. For what it's worth I'm proud of the heritage to have originated from there just as much as Belfast. But I'm culturally English....There's no conditions or half way houses or doubts about it. Wisbech is meant to be English.....though if you walk down the high street and use your ears you could easily be fooled. We should swap.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 26 Jun 17 3.30pm |
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Originally posted by Hansy
You will either vote for your local MP, or the party you want to succeed due to the leader. Leaders are also elected from the party membership. So you could have a say in that also if you really wanted. Far more democratic than the EU imo. EU President Tusk is nominated by the 27/28 EU leaders. That means 60% that didn't vote Tories might not approve of May's choice as an example. Edited by Hansy (26 Jun 2017 3.04pm)
The UK would sell their families to have a brexit sticker and only the provision of an Aston Martin to every Rumanian citizen for example is likely to shift the democratic process.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 26 Jun 17 3.40pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
I'm not particularly anti-Brexit per se but how much "answering" did we ever have to do to unelected presidents? Can anyone name me some edict from an EU unelected official which has impacted negatively on their life? Domestic oil tank regulations - doubled the price - about £1,000 extra.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 26 Jun 17 3.43pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Well, you are definitely not centre-right and you are also not far-right. But you have very strong, sometimes dubious, right-wing tendencies which makes you ultra-right. Like Tebbit. Edited by Kermit8 (26 Jun 2017 1.45pm) Well, you are definitely not centre-left and you are also not far-left. But you have very strong, sometimes dubious, left-wing tendencies which makes you ultra-left. Like Galloway.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 26 Jun 17 3.51pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Well, you are definitely not centre-left and you are also not far-left. But you have very strong, sometimes dubious, left-wing tendencies which makes you ultra-left. Like Galloway. Obviously a decent guy in that case. Left-wing tendencies are welcome and recent events are showing how necessary they are.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Jun 17 4.50pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Obviously a decent guy in that case. Left-wing tendencies are welcome and recent events are showing how necessary they are.
Left-wing tendencies are unwelcome and recent events are showing how unnecessary they are. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2017 4.51pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 26 Jun 17 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Left-wing tendencies are unwelcome and recent events are showing how unnecessary they are. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2017 4.51pm) It's 'Jeremania' you have to go with the flow sometimes.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Jun 17 5.24pm |
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I'm still envious of his Glastonbury shirt.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 26 Jun 17 5.32pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Domestic oil tank regulations - doubled the price - about £1,000 extra. Building regs do you mean? I doubt anyone unelected decided to impose a directive that simply said "domestic oil tanks should cost £1k extra". I imagine that any directive (which goes through the European Parliament - elected) would be designed to make such installations more environmentally friendly and safer and ensure that their installations is done properly, and not cutting corners is more expensive.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 26 Jun 17 5.39pm |
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The problem with Sebastian Vettel is that he is undermining the remain case. How are we to cling on to our EU ideals when one of our EU friends deliberately crashes into us twice in full view of the cameras.
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