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wordup 05 Dec 17 6.11pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Deutsche Bank has been ground zero for Russian money laundering for a while - it has the fines and sanctions to prove it. That Trump elects to bank with Deutsche doesn't help his optics vis a vis Russia. [Link] As an aside, Kushner's mill stone building in New York - 666 5th Avenue - which he bought for about 2x its value in 2007, is leveraged up to its eyeballs (if a building can have eyeballs). Late in 2016, Kushner took out a mortgage on the building for 1.2 billion and had to personally guarantee the loan (incredibly, something he forgot when filling out his security clearance form just a month or two later). Guess which bank holds that note... Meanwhile, that loan is deep underwater and the building - with a 30% occupancy rate - is losing 24 million a year. The entire 1.2 billion loan is due for repayment in Feb 2019. No one wants anywhere near the building with a barge pole, and Kushner's co-owner in the building says it would be worth more if it was just dirt. Edited by Ray in Houston (05 Dec 2017 6.06pm) Yes, Mueller is a safe and fair pair of hands. He knows how to do his job, what to look for and is leaving no stone unturned.
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05 Dec 17 6.11pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Deutsche Bank has been ground zero for Russian money laundering for a while - it has the fines and sanctions to prove it. That Trump elects to bank with Deutsche doesn't help his optics vis a vis Russia.

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As an aside, Kushner's mill stone building in New York - 666 5th Avenue - which he bought for about 2x its value in 2007, is leveraged up to its eyeballs (if a building can have eyeballs). Late in 2016, Kushner took out a mortgage on the building for 1.2 billion and had to personally guarantee the loan (incredibly, something he forgot when filling out his security clearance form just a month or two later). Guess which bank holds that note...

Meanwhile, that loan is deep underwater and the building - with a 30% occupancy rate - is losing 24 million a year. The entire 1.2 billion loan is due for repayment in Feb 2019. No one wants anywhere near the building with a barge pole, and Kushner's co-owner in the building says it would be worth more if it was just dirt.

Edited by Ray in Houston (05 Dec 2017 6.06pm)

Yes, Mueller is a safe and fair pair of hands. He knows how to do his job, what to look for and is leaving no stone unturned.

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wordup 05 Dec 17 6.19pm
Paul Manafort's efforts to get his travel restrictions loosened have likely gone in the opposite direction. In a comical development he is assessed to have breached agreed bail conditions by helping to ghost write a positive op-ed piece about himself with a Russia based individual with links to their Intelligence Services. He did this while under house arrest. But still.... no collusion!! [Link]
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05 Dec 17 6.19pm

Paul Manafort's efforts to get his travel restrictions loosened have likely gone in the opposite direction. In a comical development he is assessed to have breached agreed bail conditions by helping to ghost write a positive op-ed piece about himself with a Russia based individual with links to their Intelligence Services. He did this while under house arrest. But still.... no collusion!!

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 05 Dec 17 7.00pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 S'alright. The fella is just getting on a bit. He mis-quotes me all the time and me. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 05 Dec 17 7.00pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

S'alright. The fella is just getting on a bit. He mis-quotes me all the time

and me.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 17 7.04pm
Originally posted by wordup Quote A bit fond of self aggrandizement aren't we? I tend to speak to people in their own language. And for anyone interested, I have never in my entire life used the phrase 'words are violence' nor argued that they are because it's not a position I hold or have ever held. Feel free to spend your day checking up on that should you wish to. Anyway, back on topic. Petty disagreements are not entertaining for others and are self indulgent from your direction and mine. Edited by wordup (05 Dec 2017 5.40pm) I'll accept that....so many pages on that thread....poor memory...apologies. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2017 7.12pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Dec 17 7.04pm

Originally posted by wordup

Quote A bit fond of self aggrandizement aren't we?

I tend to speak to people in their own language.

And for anyone interested, I have never in my entire life used the phrase 'words are violence' nor argued that they are because it's not a position I hold or have ever held. Feel free to spend your day checking up on that should you wish to. Anyway, back on topic. Petty disagreements are not entertaining for others and are self indulgent from your direction and mine.

Edited by wordup (05 Dec 2017 5.40pm)

I'll accept that....so many pages on that thread....poor memory...apologies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2017 7.12pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 17 7.09pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 " You argued that words could be violence." Think that was probably me, stirling, referencing Rwanda as as example and extreme verbal bullying which could lead to breakdowns or direct and meant threats to kill a la the bad old days in Northern Ireland. It most probably was. Words aren't violence but they can direct it of course they can. That's why the law has covered this area for centuries. It wasn't really what the topic was on though.....it was about offence being violence against the person....but lets not waffle on about that one. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Dec 17 7.09pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

" You argued that words could be violence."

Think that was probably me, stirling, referencing Rwanda as as example and extreme verbal bullying which could lead to breakdowns or direct and meant threats to kill a la the bad old days in Northern Ireland.

It most probably was.

Words aren't violence but they can direct it of course they can. That's why the law has covered this area for centuries.

It wasn't really what the topic was on though.....it was about offence being violence against the person....but lets not waffle on about that one.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 17 7.10pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 S'alright. The fella is just getting on a bit. He mis-quotes me all the time I love a Kermy misquote. You antifa fan boy you. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2017 7.25pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Dec 17 7.10pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

S'alright. The fella is just getting on a bit. He mis-quotes me all the time

I love a Kermy misquote.

You antifa fan boy you.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2017 7.25pm)

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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 17 7.12pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 You get used to it. It usually happens when struggling with the points made. And well made they are too. Suck just a little harder Kermy it might just spatter onto your boat race. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Dec 17 7.12pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

You get used to it. It usually happens when struggling with the points made. And well made they are too.

Suck just a little harder Kermy it might just spatter onto your boat race.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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wordup 05 Dec 17 7.21pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'll accept that....poor memory...apologies. No problem
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05 Dec 17 7.21pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'll accept that....poor memory...apologies.

No problem

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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 17 7.22pm
Originally posted by pefwin and me. Hardly darling. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Dec 17 7.22pm

Originally posted by pefwin

and me.

Hardly darling.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 05 Dec 17 7.24pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Hardly darling. please do not snipe. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 05 Dec 17 7.24pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Hardly darling.

please do not snipe.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 17 7.27pm
Originally posted by pefwin please do not snipe. I can't, my web cam is on the blink old duck. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Dec 17 7.27pm

Originally posted by pefwin

please do not snipe.

I can't, my web cam is on the blink old duck.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Kermit8 Hevon 05 Dec 17 7.38pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I love a Kermy misquote. You antifa fan boy you. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2017 7.25pm) Don't forget my 'vociferous support for Scottish Independence'. That's your favourite one Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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