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bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 01 Nov 17 10.25am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave

Originally posted by Kermit8

Been doing a bit of digging (unlike Parish) and have found that there are zero planning applications in at the moment and the training ground? Well, blimey...this is all that has been done it appears since 2010

Demolition of various single storey office and associated buildings and erection of a new two storey extension to the existing main pavillion building, together with the rationalisation and enlargement of the parking areas.
Ref. No: 15/02616/FULL1 | Status: Application Refused
Replacement of the existing steel frame windows and timber frame doors with new double glazed Upvc frame windows and doors. Removal of 2No portacabins and infill extensions.
Ref. No: 16/01313/FULL1 | Status: Application Permitted
Temporary Stationing of 4No portacabins and a water tank
Ref. No: 16/01312/FULL1 | Status: Pending Consideration
Erection of new entrance gates and intercom
Ref. No: 16/05858/FULL1 | Status: Application Permitted


Best Chairman we ever had my arse.

Well researched and just about says it all really, as far as infrastructure goes. We should be grateful for the cladding and the plastic seats I suppose.

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 01 Nov 17 11.10am Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

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Originally posted by bexleydave


I've no idea how you'd know that (as only those who run the club would be privy to that information), but assuming you're right, perhaps it's about time the club stopped "looking" and started doing. Prevarication is the thief of time, but then again it's Parish's specialist subject.


SP himself has mentioned looking at the Main Stand, the Arthur, the Training ground as well as a new site for the training ground...it's not rocket science tbf and from his own mouth over the past 12months..

 


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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 01 Nov 17 11.14am

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Originally posted by bexleydave


I've no idea how you'd know that (as only those who run the club would be privy to that information), but assuming you're right, perhaps it's about time the club stopped "looking" and started doing. Prevarication is the thief of time, but then again it's Parish's specialist subject.
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Let’s be honest, this isn’t the first time that these objections have stopped us from upgrading/rebuilding the ground. This has been happening as far back Ron Noades tenure. Why now are you pinning so much blame on the present incumbents?

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 01 Nov 17 11.36am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

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Originally posted by Lyons550


SP himself has mentioned looking at the Main Stand, the Arthur, the Training ground as well as a new site for the training ground...it's not rocket science tbf and from his own mouth over the past 12months..

It's bs Lyons. Just hot air in order to placate. He said himself the money has been spent 'on the field'. His decision and his overall management style. Not how i would have done it, would have put 15-20% of seasonal income to one side to upgrade off it, but hey-ho.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 01 Nov 17 11.40am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

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Originally posted by Lyons550


SP himself has mentioned looking at the Main Stand, the Arthur, the Training ground as well as a new site for the training ground...it's not rocket science tbf and from his own mouth over the past 12months..

I don't think he or the other shareholders can be confident pressing ahead when we're in a precarious position each season from the very start. Sort that and then maybe it'll happen. That's an observation rather than a criticism. A lot depends on money and league status. I doubt they'd embark on anything if there's a squad rebuilding exercise following relegation and no good wasting money on dipping your toe into redeveloping. You either agree a deal with sainsburys and hire those expensive architects and finish the stand or you don't start.

Hopefully it'll happen but I don't see anything happening before next summer because whatever happens this season there's a big job in the summer where I hope Freedman has researched well for players.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 01 Nov 17 11.46am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

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Originally posted by Kermit8

It's bs Lyons. Just hot air in order to placate. He said himself the money has been spent 'on the field'. His decision and his overall management style. Not how i would have done it, would have put 15-20% of seasonal income to one side to upgrade off it, but hey-ho.

That did happen in season 1 but hasn't since. For a few seasons it was unfortunate emergencies it would be unfair to point any blame, although a lack of scouting has no doubt inflated our wages and fees. 9th in the league and only there if the best 11 play tells the story.

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 01 Nov 17 11.54am Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

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Originally posted by Kermit8

It's bs Lyons. Just hot air in order to placate. He said himself the money has been spent 'on the field'. His decision and his overall management style. Not how i would have done it, would have put 15-20% of seasonal income to one side to upgrade off it, but hey-ho.

I certainly wouldn't say it's BS in order to placate..clearly engaging Architects etc would be redundant otherwise. However, as we all know esp with the resistance that even mentioning moving back to CPP caused, getting things through planning is a nightmare.

Haven't the club recently appointed an individual to now focus on this stuff? Perhaps the real issue for the apparent procrastination is simply down to SP trying to spin too many plates?

Now he's passed this work onto someone else we may see some movement...but again I wouldn't necessarily want to hear of anything happening until they're ready to go to planning anyway...

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 01 Nov 17 12.04pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I don't think he or the other shareholders can be confident pressing ahead when we're in a precarious position each season from the very start. Sort that and then maybe it'll happen. That's an observation rather than a criticism. A lot depends on money and league status. I doubt they'd embark on anything if there's a squad rebuilding exercise following relegation and no good wasting money on dipping your toe into redeveloping. You either agree a deal with sainsburys and hire those expensive architects and finish the stand or you don't start.

Hopefully it'll happen but I don't see anything happening before next summer because whatever happens this season there's a big job in the summer where I hope Freedman has researched well for players.


Again...as with Kermits post I agree with a lot of what you say...If it hadn't been for us needing serious investment in the Jan window for what will be a 3rd straight season I would have expected to have seen more movement.

Having said that, take the potential move to a new training ground for a moment, consider what might be involved in getting any proposal ready for planning. You'd need environmental studies to be carried out, on the ground liaison with locals to take into account their considerations, then you have the councils issues with using 'potentially' green belt/space in their Borough for private use....etc etc etc and all the time trying to do so under the 'radar' so as not to be faced being a hostage when the owner of said land gets to hear of the intended use and ups their price....and we're not exactly blessed with sites in and around the borough as it is.

It must be a bloody nightmare

 


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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 01 Nov 17 12.19pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

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Originally posted by Lyons550


Again...as with Kermits post I agree with a lot of what you say...If it hadn't been for us needing serious investment in the Jan window for what will be a 3rd straight season I would have expected to have seen more movement.

Having said that, take the potential move to a new training ground for a moment, consider what might be involved in getting any proposal ready for planning. You'd need environmental studies to be carried out, on the ground liaison with locals to take into account their considerations, then you have the councils issues with using 'potentially' green belt/space in their Borough for private use....etc etc etc and all the time trying to do so under the 'radar' so as not to be faced being a hostage when the owner of said land gets to hear of the intended use and ups their price....and we're not exactly blessed with sites in and around the borough as it is.

It must be a bloody nightmare

Maybe is the time to start looking at another borough then If Croydon dont want to play ball?

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 01 Nov 17 1.09pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

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Originally posted by Jimenez

Maybe is the time to start looking at another borough then If Croydon dont want to play ball?


Possibly...the training ground comes under Bromley and Beckenham Place Park half a mile away which used to have the Golf course has shut the course...so it would make sense to at least approach the council about moving there I guess...though it could be that, again other planning issues (such as it being common land) would pose a problem.

We're in this position due to the way that Jordan dealt with Kent CCC who could've been persuaded to let us have the land they now occupy beside our existing training ground (almost twice as large again than what we curr have)...perhaps we could foster better relationships with them with a view to this being a possibility ? Who knows.

We seem willing to spend £30m on shyte left backs rather than £30m on the clubs future...which hopefully would mean a reduction in exorbitant fees...but until the club bites the bullet it's all pie in the sky

 


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Originally posted by Kermit8

It's bs Lyons. Just hot air in order to placate. He said himself the money has been spent 'on the field'. His decision and his overall management style. Not how i would have done it, would have put 15-20% of seasonal income to one side to upgrade off it, but hey-ho.

spent badly!

 

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Unfortunately I am seeing a worrying similarity between our efforts to improve the stadium and those to improve the team. A bit of cladding, a lick of paint, a quick fix to cover the cracks. A last minute rush job by an expensive PL master builder to stop us crumbling away. We need to invest in long term foundations if we are ever to improve on and off the pitch.

 

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