That's the exact question I answered. I have no need to 'twist' anything, I'll leave that to you and your lamentable approach to communication.

"Not all illnesses and disease are identical. Covid-19 is very contagious... as pandemics tend to be... so it may well be both harder to avoid and also easier to be impacted by (death rate) than most other respiratory illnesses for instance. "

I'm not sure what is so hard for you to understand. It is perfectly possible during a very contagious pandemic for Covid to spread like wildfire, while many other deaths and illnesses become lower due to people taking steps to try and avoid said pandemic. Covid-19 deaths have never even happened before, and so by default even if rates of other deaths or illnesses fall due to the extensive measures put in place, Covid deaths can still be significant and will obviously 'rise'. Indeed that is clearly what has happened.

If you are trying to infer that these deaths are actually secretly being bunged in as Covid deaths I have already explained in quite some detail why that is not true. We're only part way though the flu season anyway (and there have even been recent years with 'lower' numbers. Just not the ones people choose to highlight). Yesterday I took the time to go 'step by step' through the provable disinformation regarding flu and pneumonia death numbers that frequently gets posted here and disingenuously attempts to push this false narrative. In the unlikely scenario that you wish to either read up or verify those facts for yourself you are more than welcome to.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Nov 2020 6.03am)

What does any of this have to do with the stated facts of the post at hand and your inability to acknowledge it's untrue. It's no surprise that facts you don't want to know become 'waffle'. I don't much care if you want to divert and hide behind your twitter dr over the fact that you've repeated stated and posted flu and pneumonia statistics and ascertains that are provably misleading and cobbled together from completely different methodologies. It is made much worse by your complete lack of acknowledgement at doing so, efforts to avoid talking about it, and disinterest in the inaccurate and contrived nature of these contributions.

And so again with regard to the statistics you posted (attached):

"- The propoganda image and data excludes certain lower number years
- The author purposefully used an entirely different measure for this year than prior years to distort the data
- One set (PHE) is an 'estimates' (something you fob off in an instant when it relates to the coronavirus) the other death certificate deaths (ONS)
-If actual deaths are use there are multiple years that are already 'lower' than this year
-If PHE data is used we are early in the flu season and so the inference on the image that this years number is in, is entirely false
- the pneumonia info stated is also 'fantasyland'
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You're accusing others of being misleading or lying, while your own contributions such as those this tick that box to a tee. The government can be faulted on 'many' fronts, but when you do so based on disinformation it severely detracts from others actually demonstrating a balanced and honest look at the various genuine facts and reference points at hand.

Unfortunately you've found yourself down such a blind alley that you've launched in at people who aren't even massively into 'lockdowns' anyway and have posted thoughts and articles that are varied, not solely of an angle. You simply can't seem to appreciate the fact that an objective reading of the facts is a valid approach, and that not everyone is obliged to opt into a check box Us vs Them one tone propaganda effort.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Nov 2020 2.34am)

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Rather that all of this endless faff, it would be better to stick to a couple of tangible and salient points to make a compelling argument over. As with the recent post you agreed with regarding death rates and the elderly. A public push to convey that actual death rates from other countries do not appear as pronounced during the 'second wave' (due to many elderly in homes already being wiped out and so on) is something that at least presently has an air of reality to it that can be conveyed to the masses, which in turn could feed into a more realistic idea of what might be to come (potentially impacting public mood and policy).

Much of the one way stuff on here, the 'did they die of that anyway! masks are pointless! fake numbers! why are covid deaths up and others down! lockdown increases numbers!! oh look theres an empty testing centre! the government knows 'covid' is over but are fooling us into thinking it's still a problem! as an attempt to build as overarching government covid conspiracy just drowns out perfectly valid and considered thoughts and perspectives of all persuasions - including ones you support. People tune out. Even a successful and proven vaccine would inevitably become a victim of massive disinfo too (Watch out here comes your vaccine microchip / conformity test! Results are faked! It doesn't work / is dangerous!! Covid went away, the vaccine did nothing!)'. I'm pretty sure the government actually loves the relentless echo chamber stuff because it means they don't have to answer difficult and practical questions about the route they are going.

There's no Machiavellian scheme. It's a pandemic and many of the countries of the world are having the same problems and making the same mistakes, so to perpetually point at every single aspect of our government's handling of it as if its some dark plan is not realistic. If anything their failed approach has been consistently due to their ineptitude rather than being calculated about anything.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Nov 2020 3.34am)

I remember the suggestions about darker skins being less able to absorb Vit D but some of the other research is new. Like the sun's angle in the winter not being able to produce sufficient strength in the rays to penetrate the skin effectively. And you need it all year around. 2 weeks in the summer won't protect you through the winter. The study that found that over 50% of C19 deaths were of people who had low vit D levels is the really new information. Apparently across the whole population, 20% of us do.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (02 Nov 2020 1.35pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Not according to my GP - she says 800 - 1,000 IU max for a 'maintenance dose. Anything higher should only be short term to make up a deficiency, then down to daily maintenance level.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

Unsurprising the majority suffer because of the ignorance of a few (who get it of a lot of people who don’t give a sh1t about their health, because, oh the NHS is free. Free in their thinking)

COYP