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Mapletree Flag Croydon 01 Nov 20 10.35pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Away from the arguments about the best collective response to this crisis, I saw something interesting on TV this evening which encouraged me to look deeper.

It seems that people with low levels of Vitamin D stand a 50% higher chance of catching a cold than those with adequate levels. Colds are coronaviruses. They are worse in winter when our Vitamin D levels are lower, due to decreased sunlight and less time outdoors. My own empirical experience suggests that people in the tropics suffer with colds less than us.

So I did some Googling and there is quite a lot which supports the hypothesis that low levels of Vitamin D may contribute to the surge in Covid 19. Do some yourself. You could start here:- [Link]

I will be buying Vitamin D supplement tomorrow. I have up to this moment always regarded supplements as a waste of money if you ate a balanced diet.

I thought I told you this is March. FFS YES! We give it to everyone in our homes. Especially those with dark skin for obvious reasons. Just take cod liver oil.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 01 Nov 20 10.38pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Regards Maple.

But 'long covid' is the latest designer label b*****s from the medical establishement.

I have personal experience of a long viral illness and symptoms of acute fatigue anxiety depression lethargy are quite normal.

In my case about 2 years.

At the time I remember debates about whether 'post-viral syndrome' 'chronic fatigue syndrome' etc. were actual illnesses.

Basically you are flattened by a virus and the body may take months or years to recover.

We know about covid19 and what we must do, what we lack is a solution.

Ok if you want to kick the can down the road but you are ruining lives as well as saving them.

All the best.

Nice to hear from you, have you been away?

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 01 Nov 20 10.41pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

How can numbers of deaths be up in one sentence, but down three sentences later? Maybe the "reliable sources" are not so reliable. The three points might be valid, if the point you make about why other illnesses are down was untrue. You cannot have both.

I didn’t think this was so hard.

Despite a drop in other causes of death, average death rates are up significantly. That is because of COVID deaths.

Not only is it what I said above, it was always massively predictable. Yet people argue that there is nothing especially bad about Covid compared to the usual flu. Well there is. It is three times as deadly when you get it and far more virulent.

 

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 01 Nov 20 11.06pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I didn’t think this was so hard.

Despite a drop in other causes of death, average death rates are up significantly. That is because of COVID deaths.

Not only is it what I said above, it was always massively predictable. Yet people argue that there is nothing especially bad about Covid compared to the usual flu. Well there is. It is three times as deadly when you get it and far more virulent.

It's really not hard. You cite the fact that people are being really careful to not catch illnesses. But. Usual deaths are down, unusually. Due to unmentioned reasons, but novel deaths are up. How can you be so obtuse as to not see where that could be related in some way?

I hear so much speculation about how many would have died/will die, without any scientific evidence. Only what SAGE keep pushing. They are mostly mathematical modellers. Check it out. How many virologists are on the SAGE committee? They use flawed ideas, such as everyone being susceptible to the virus, which, clearly they are not. Yet you and most of the country hang your hopes on them. Why don't you question the science?

 


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davenotamonkey Flag 02 Nov 20 12.13am Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

"Prince William caught Covid in April but kept diagnosis secret":

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"The Duke, 38, is said to have struggled to breathe during his illness and was treated by doctors before isolating at the family home, Anmer Hall, in Norfolk."

"He was reportedly concerned that revealing his own plight to the nation would create further panic."

This guy just oozes class. The royal family will be in a safe pair of hands with him as King. You can absolutely 100% guarantee we wouldn't hear the end of it in the press (that they despise, of course) if Woko-Ono and her stockholm'd brainwashed soy-prince caught it. It would all be about the racist virus, and how it structurally infects black people like her. Well, half of her, presumably.

Wills was already fairly high in my opinions, but this only boosts him further.

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 02 Nov 20 12.48am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

"Prince William caught Covid in April but kept diagnosis secret":

[Link]


"The Duke, 38, is said to have struggled to breathe during his illness and was treated by doctors before isolating at the family home, Anmer Hall, in Norfolk."

"He was reportedly concerned that revealing his own plight to the nation would create further panic."

This guy just oozes class. The royal family will be in a safe pair of hands with him as King. You can absolutely 100% guarantee we wouldn't hear the end of it in the press (that they despise, of course) if Woko-Ono and her stockholm'd brainwashed soy-prince caught it. It would all be about the racist virus, and how it structurally infects black people like her. Well, half of her, presumably.

Wills was already fairly high in my opinions, but this only boosts him further.

God save the king!

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Nov 20 1.07am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Sir James Hird

Just to give you info from someone on the ground as it were.
Australia population 25 million. Each state is running its own game when it comes to COVID action but overall, all states did come to the same conclusions.
They closed their borders.The larger states Victoria, NSW and Queensland all went into a hard lockdown.
Victoria due to a bungle in overseas admission quaraintine ended up being the last state to get a handle on things but now after a 3 MONTH Lockdown are having doughnut days that is 0 new cases, 0 deaths from CV19.
Tis virus will not go away of its own accord. You either let a certain proportion of your population die until you find a vaccine or you lockdown.
When the number of deaths and new infections get low enough you can then identify infection sources.
Up to you guys, we fought a war 1939-45 harder than this and as a sickly child who was 3 when it ended, living in Upper Norwood, I thank my country of birth for being 78 and still rattling along.
Summers over, lockdown until you win through.

There is a big difference in the way countries gather their data, and how they manipulate that into statistics.
Australia recorded no new CV19 infections today, but then who did they test, and what numbers ?

Clearly the track-and-trace stystem in the UK needs to be made fit for purpose, as it clearly seems to be having minimal effect.

Chris Whitty needs an enema, cos he is so full of 5hlt. The "We just have to make up measures as we go along" line was so disheartening from a Professor.

Any measures previously introduced have been done too late, resulting in loads of deaths. Now the rate of infections is increasing and deaths are only at a plateau at the moment because all the really old and sick people are dead already.

At least wetherspoons are selling Real Ale up until lockdown for only 99p a pint. It's nice to know someone is learning how to cope better with the disease.

I think you’re in the right area there. Not all but many of.

The problem with locking down hard and expecting people to do it is they know they’re financially screwed if they do, plus the young people know they’ll be suffering for more years and missing more opportunities to own houses and have jobs that pay real living career wages that all the people they’re saving have already enjoyed . Many old people agree young people shouldn’t be made to have their futures destroyed. Going to have to communicate with someone who has the opposite view this week, because they have no links to young people whatsoever. These young people are where my opinions on this really come from, plus families with children who are about to have their worlds turned upside down. They just don’t know it yet. None of it is for my benefit. Nowhere near.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (02 Nov 2020 1.30am)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Nov 20 1.12am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Sage definition

n. One venerated for experience, judgment, and wisdom.

adj. Having or exhibiting wisdom and calm judgment.

adj. Proceeding from or marked by wisdom and calm judgment.

Misnomer in my opinion. Mostly SAGE consist of mathematicians. When what we need is scientists, and preferably virologists. Maths is pure logic. Not experience, judgment, and wisdom. But they advise our government at the moment, and the general public believe what they say. So we will be locked down. And if SAGE think that the R number has not fallen 'enough' by 2nd of December, kiss goodbye to Christmas. Quite what 'enough' amounts to is anyones guess. And who gets to decide anyway? So many questions.

SAGE should also have economists and business people or former business heads. There should be a mix of people from all areas affected. Hancock is running things too much. Initially he was impressive but at some point got carried away with himself and I think gets an endorphin rush from it.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Nov 20 1.21am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I thought I told you this is March. FFS YES! We give it to everyone in our homes. Especially those with dark skin for obvious reasons. Just take cod liver oil.

Cod liver oil is so good. I can get joint pains in elbows or knees from going bigger on the weights in the gym or excessive bike riding and if I’ve forgotten to take cod liver oil, a couple of weeks on it and the pain has gone completely.

If you’re regularly eating any foods with particular or all the necessary vitamins in you’re wasting your money but of course some will something and best not to miss vitamin D at the moment.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Nov 20 1.28am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

"Prince William caught Covid in April but kept diagnosis secret":

[Link]


"The Duke, 38, is said to have struggled to breathe during his illness and was treated by doctors before isolating at the family home, Anmer Hall, in Norfolk."

"He was reportedly concerned that revealing his own plight to the nation would create further panic."

This guy just oozes class. The royal family will be in a safe pair of hands with him as King. You can absolutely 100% guarantee we wouldn't hear the end of it in the press (that they despise, of course) if Woko-Ono and her stockholm'd brainwashed soy-prince caught it. It would all be about the racist virus, and how it structurally infects black people like her. Well, half of her, presumably.

Wills was already fairly high in my opinions, but this only boosts him further.

Big time. Wills and Kate are wise people. Harry and Meghan should be kept out of the media and just left alone on Twitter and YouTube. But their embarrassing appearances sell advertising.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Nov 20 1.41am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay


You've just completely ignored the fact that something you believe and have posted multiple times was entirely and provably inaccurate and misleading. You just change the subject when realities you don't like are highlighted, as if stating nonsense is fine if it props up outlook that you hold. If a person doesn't have the awareness (or more likely concern) that what they're posting is misleading or fabricated, nor the integrity to admit that once it's pointed out, then there is little point discussing anything with them.


So again with regard to the flu info you posted:

- The propoganda image and data excludes certain lower number years
- The author purposefully used an entirely different measure for this year than prior years to distort the data
- One set (PHE) is an 'estimates' (something you fob off in an instant when it relates to the coronavirus) the other death certificate deaths (ONS)
-If actual deaths are use there are multiple years that are already 'lower' than this year
-If PHE data is used we are early in the flu season and so the inference on the image that this years number is in, is entirely false
- the pneumonia info stated is also 'fantasyland'

There is no quality control, because you patently don't care if what you say is true, as absolutely anything that fits your idea that you're being misled by the government ticks the only box that matters for you. Ironically in adopting such a fervent and blinkered approach you are both the person who is misleading, and the person being misled.

What you should do is try and bamboozle that Mike Yeadon with your waffle. If you think he and plenty of others are so wrong then you could prove him wrong quite easily. Should be easy hey? But you don’t have the experience to do so. In fact many scientists have avoided him, as have Hancock, SAGE, whitty and valance who he worked with for years. He made public attempts to ask questions and none of them answered. What grates most people is the only questions allowed are vetted questions from disappointing current journalists, and is why people stopped bothering with it. Some of their stunts in presenting some things haven’t had the desired effect they did in spring because people catch on. Start being consistently honest and more people would get on board. I truly believe that. For too long they’ve acted like they know, nobody else knows or has any sense. Hancock is the worst for that.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 02 Nov 20 1.44am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yeah I’ve been saying this. You probably tried being supercilious on this ad well.

No actually I provably said exactly the same thing before most. And I've been talking about how T Cell immunity is an important aspect of immunity on here for months now. Hence why I post articles like this to begin with. You, as per usual, only have one way of looking at things, so it 'confuses you' when people post points that are varied rather than pushing a simplistic pushed outlook based on whatever they can cobble together from their social media feed (often falsehoods that you have no interest in acknowledging when you're told so, such as your flu and pneumonia points earlier). As such, as above you frequently invent groundless views for what people 'probably' believe rather than acknowledge the blinkers you're wearing.

 

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