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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 01 Nov 20 8.46pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Antibodies produced by COVID-19 patients to fight disease have more staying power than once thought - [Link]


Quote A new study of 30,000 COVID-19 patients suggests that the antibodies people produce to fight off the virus last longer than previously believed.

The finding should help vaccine makers as well as researchers who have been trying to determine whether COVID-19 survivors can become reinfected.

"Some (studies) reported declines in antibodies the first few weeks and first months and that isn't what we have seen," said Ania Wajnberg, lead author of the new study and medical director of Mount Sinai's clinical antibody testing program.

"We see a slight decline, but overall a stable level."

The paper, published this week in the journal Science, reported that most people with mild to moderate COVID-19 produce antibodies that are still effective five months after the onset of symptoms.

Roughly 92% of the patients produce sufficient antibody levels to continue fighting the new coronavirus.

Past studies found that antibody levels seemed to drop off faster. The other studies focused on antibodies produced in response to a viral protein known as NP. But it turns out NP may not be a good measure because it has membranes that shield it from the antibodies created by our immune system.

The team at Mount Sinai in New York focused instead on the infamous Spike protein, which allows viral cells to attach themselves to human cells.

After measuring antibody response in the entire group of 30,000 COVID-19 patients, scientists then followed a smaller subset. This second group consisted of 121 patients, who went on to donate plasma to help others fight COVID-19.

When researchers measured antibody levels in the group of 121 they found only a slight drop between three months and five months after symptoms. There was a larger decline at about 148 days, but the antibody levels were still high enough to neutralize the virus. Wajnberg said the Mount Sinai team plans to follow the 121 plasma donors for at least a full year.

The study suggests that vaccine makers should target the Spike protein because it spurs a much stronger immune response than the NP protein.

A new study in contrast (using a different measure) to the other antibody related study which suggested short term immunity. Here "Roughly 92% of the patients produce sufficient antibody levels to continue fighting the new coronavirus" after 5 months. And that of course is before we get to T Cell immune response. If it turns out that immunity is commonly a year + or more that bodes well for our natural response and possibly the prospects and design of vaccines.

Yeah I’ve been saying this. You probably tried being supercilious on this ad well.

 


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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 01 Nov 20 8.47pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

This paragraph was released by SAGE who also want the schools left open.

Read the paragraph carefully and hypothesise why more 20-40 year old females are being admitted with Covid

He also warned that the virus was "running riot" across all age groups, with up to four times more women aged between 20 and 40 being admitted to hospital with Covid-19 than men in the same age bracket.”

It couldn’t perhaps be that children who have been all passing it to each other asymptomatically have passed it onto mums who then spend time nattering to other mums at schools across the country? This sounds a perfectly feasible reason to me for it to have been passed around that age group but patently not obvious to those who want schools to stay open.

So let’s lockdown the money generating portion of the population and let the little muck spreaders carry on passing it about, bless ‘em.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 01 Nov 20 8.49pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Good spot EC

 


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Sir James Hird Flag Mount Martha 01 Nov 20 9.05pm

Just to give you info from someone on the ground as it were.
Australia population 25 million. Each state is running its own game when it comes to COVID action but overall, all states did come to the same conclusions.
They closed their borders.The larger states Victoria, NSW and Queensland all went into a hard lockdown.
Victoria due to a bungle in overseas admission quaraintine ended up being the last state to get a handle on things but now after a 3 MONTH Lockdown are having doughnut days that is 0 new cases, 0 deaths from CV19.
Tis virus will not go away of its own accord. You either let a certain proportion of your population die until you find a vaccine or you lockdown.
When the number of deaths and new infections get low enough you can then identify infection sources.
Up to you guys, we fought a war 1939-45 harder than this and as a sickly child who was 3 when it ended, living in Upper Norwood, I thank my country of birth for being 78 and still rattling along.
Summers over, lockdown until you win through.

There is a big difference in the way countries gather their data, and how they manipulate that into statistics.
Australia recorded no new CV19 infections today, but then who did they test, and what numbers ?

Clearly the track-and-trace stystem in the UK needs to be made fit for purpose, as it clearly seems to be having minimal effect.

Chris Whitty needs an enema, cos he is so full of 5hlt. The "We just have to make up measures as we go along" line was so disheartening from a Professor.

Any measures previously introduced have been done too late, resulting in loads of deaths. Now the rate of infections is increasing and deaths are only at a plateau at the moment because all the really old and sick people are dead already.

At least wetherspoons are selling Real Ale up until lockdown for only 99p a pint. It's nice to know someone is learning how to cope better with the disease.

 

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 01 Nov 20 9.21pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

This paragraph was released by SAGE who also want the schools left open.

Read the paragraph carefully and hypothesise why more 20-40 year old females are being admitted with Covid

He also warned that the virus was "running riot" across all age groups, with up to four times more women aged between 20 and 40 being admitted to hospital with Covid-19 than men in the same age bracket.”

It couldn’t perhaps be that children who have been all passing it to each other asymptomatically have passed it onto mums who then spend time nattering to other mums at schools across the country? This sounds a perfectly feasible reason to me for it to have been passed around that age group but patently not obvious to those who want schools to stay open.

So let’s lockdown the money generating portion of the population and let the little muck spreaders carry on passing it about, bless ‘em.

Sage definition

n. One venerated for experience, judgment, and wisdom.

adj. Having or exhibiting wisdom and calm judgment.

adj. Proceeding from or marked by wisdom and calm judgment.

Misnomer in my opinion. Mostly SAGE consist of mathematicians. When what we need is scientists, and preferably virologists. Maths is pure logic. Not experience, judgment, and wisdom. But they advise our government at the moment, and the general public believe what they say. So we will be locked down. And if SAGE think that the R number has not fallen 'enough' by 2nd of December, kiss goodbye to Christmas. Quite what 'enough' amounts to is anyones guess. And who gets to decide anyway? So many questions.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 01 Nov 20 9.25pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

This paragraph was released by SAGE who also want the schools left open.

Read the paragraph carefully and hypothesise why more 20-40 year old females are being admitted with Covid

He also warned that the virus was "running riot" across all age groups, with up to four times more women aged between 20 and 40 being admitted to hospital with Covid-19 than men in the same age bracket.”

It couldn’t perhaps be that children who have been all passing it to each other asymptomatically have passed it onto mums who then spend time nattering to other mums at schools across the country? This sounds a perfectly feasible reason to me for it to have been passed around that age group but patently not obvious to those who want schools to stay open.

So let’s lockdown the money generating portion of the population and let the little muck spreaders carry on passing it about, bless ‘em.

Alternatively C19 has taken the older ones who were weak and to survive needs new hosts. Maybe this age in females is perfect for it. Still they must have underlying health issues so was due to die anyway.
Time will tell if your school gate theory is correct as we've had a week off from school so there should be a big dip lasting a week in a few weeks. That's will be actual catergoric evidence of the muck spreader theory. If not then it really is time to get concerned as these broads could start dying in numbers. Maybe the virus is using another angle to get rid of the population. Long covid could also include infertility, who knows yet but by just letting it spread we will certainly find out!

 

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 01 Nov 20 9.56pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Coming to a cinema near you.

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Completely unbelievable? Maybe, maybe not......

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Nov 20 10.03pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Away from the arguments about the best collective response to this crisis, I saw something interesting on TV this evening which encouraged me to look deeper.

It seems that people with low levels of Vitamin D stand a 50% higher chance of catching a cold than those with adequate levels. Colds are coronaviruses. They are worse in winter when our Vitamin D levels are lower, due to decreased sunlight and less time outdoors. My own empirical experience suggests that people in the tropics suffer with colds less than us.

So I did some Googling and there is quite a lot which supports the hypothesis that low levels of Vitamin D may contribute to the surge in Covid 19. Do some yourself. You could start here:- [Link]

I will be buying Vitamin D supplement tomorrow. I have up to this moment always regarded supplements as a waste of money if you ate a balanced diet.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 01 Nov 20 10.06pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Coming to a cinema near you.

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Completely unbelievable? Maybe, maybe not......


Are Will Smith and TLJ coming to watch it with you?

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 01 Nov 20 10.08pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Away from the arguments about the best collective response to this crisis, I saw something interesting on TV this evening which encouraged me to look deeper.

It seems that people with low levels of Vitamin D stand a 50% higher chance of catching a cold than those with adequate levels. Colds are coronaviruses. They are worse in winter when our Vitamin D levels are lower, due to decreased sunlight and less time outdoors. My own empirical experience suggests that people in the tropics suffer with colds less than us.

So I did some Googling and there is quite a lot which supports the hypothesis that low levels of Vitamin D may contribute to the surge in Covid 19. Do some yourself. You could start here:- [Link]

I will be buying Vitamin D supplement tomorrow. I have up to this moment always regarded supplements as a waste of money if you ate a balanced diet.

I have prescribed vit D due to my RA.
Every cloud and all.

 

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 01 Nov 20 10.16pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Away from the arguments about the best collective response to this crisis, I saw something interesting on TV this evening which encouraged me to look deeper.

It seems that people with low levels of Vitamin D stand a 50% higher chance of catching a cold than those with adequate levels. Colds are coronaviruses. They are worse in winter when our Vitamin D levels are lower, due to decreased sunlight and less time outdoors. My own empirical experience suggests that people in the tropics suffer with colds less than us.

So I did some Googling and there is quite a lot which supports the hypothesis that low levels of Vitamin D may contribute to the surge in Covid 19. Do some yourself. You could start here:- [Link]

I will be buying Vitamin D supplement tomorrow. I have up to this moment always regarded supplements as a waste of money if you ate a balanced diet.

If you had a two week holiday in a sunny country, or even if you work outside in this one, you will have enough vit D. The darker your skin is, the less vit D you absorb from the sun. But being outdoors increases it regardless. Colds increase because of not being outside, and affects people who work in factories, offices, etc more than outdoor workers. This has been discussed with regard to 'BAME' people being moe perceptible. Do try to keep up.

 


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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 01 Nov 20 10.18pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst


Are Will Smith and TLJ coming to watch it with you?

I'm not allowed to go, it's released after lockdown, so they will have to watch it without me.

 


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