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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jun 17 9.12am
Originally posted by europalace Most immigration into the UK has been far higher from non-EU countries than from the EU for every year the UK has been an EU member. This will not change once the UK leaves the EU. What will change is the opportunities for the younger generation who will be relegated to second choice within teh 27 country strong EU. Nice for the older people who voted to leave the EU but what do they care when they won't be around to pick up the pieces? A selfish and nasty older generation who has no interest in the future of their own country. If I were the EU, I would make it EU law to accept as EU residents anyone from the UK who isn't a pensioner (at least 10 years to pensionable age) with open arms. Leave the rotting older generation in the UK to smolder in their own compost. I really should learn not to read your posts. The 'nasty' older generation are trying to protect their children and grand children from the unelected,corporate puppets of Brussels.
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Originally posted by europalace

Most immigration into the UK has been far higher from non-EU countries than from the EU for every year the UK has been an EU member. This will not change once the UK leaves the EU. What will change is the opportunities for the younger generation who will be relegated to second choice within teh 27 country strong EU. Nice for the older people who voted to leave the EU but what do they care when they won't be around to pick up the pieces? A selfish and nasty older generation who has no interest in the future of their own country.

If I were the EU, I would make it EU law to accept as EU residents anyone from the UK who isn't a pensioner (at least 10 years to pensionable age) with open arms. Leave the rotting older generation in the UK to smolder in their own compost.

I really should learn not to read your posts.

The 'nasty' older generation are trying to protect their children and grand children from the unelected,corporate puppets of Brussels.

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becky over the moon 23 Jun 17 10.19am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Very pleased that May has shown her hand in regard to the 3mill and that they can stay. It shows goodwill and a desire for the talks not to get spiteful. Although showing one's hand no matter what is apparently a terrible way to do business according to some. Have you seen the reported reactions to this goodwill? [Link] [Link] [Link] ....and that's what happens when you try to show goodwill! A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 23 Jun 17 10.19am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Very pleased that May has shown her hand in regard to the 3mill and that they can stay. It shows goodwill and a desire for the talks not to get spiteful. Although showing one's hand no matter what is apparently a terrible way to do business according to some.

Have you seen the reported reactions to this goodwill?

[Link]

....and that's what happens when you try to show goodwill!

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 23 Jun 17 10.20am
Originally posted by europalace Most immigration into the UK has been far higher from non-EU countries than from the EU for every year the UK has been an EU member. This will not change once the UK leaves the EU. What will change is the opportunities for the younger generation who will be relegated to second choice within teh 27 country strong EU. Nice for the older people who voted to leave the EU but what do they care when they won't be around to pick up the pieces? A selfish and nasty older generation who has no interest in the future of their own country. If I were the EU, I would make it EU law to accept as EU residents anyone from the UK who isn't a pensioner (at least 10 years to pensionable age) with open arms. Leave the rotting older generation in the UK to smolder in their own compost. Tube fed, fanny bangled w@nk bat "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 23 Jun 17 10.20am

Originally posted by europalace

Most immigration into the UK has been far higher from non-EU countries than from the EU for every year the UK has been an EU member. This will not change once the UK leaves the EU. What will change is the opportunities for the younger generation who will be relegated to second choice within teh 27 country strong EU. Nice for the older people who voted to leave the EU but what do they care when they won't be around to pick up the pieces? A selfish and nasty older generation who has no interest in the future of their own country.

Tube fed, fanny bangled w@nk bat

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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hedgehog50 Croydon 23 Jun 17 10.31am
Originally posted by becky Have you seen the reported reactions to this goodwill? [Link] [Link] [Link] ....and that's what happens when you try to show goodwill! EU cunds and liars [with acknowledgement to Gusset for the adjectives]. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 23 Jun 17 10.31am

Originally posted by becky

Have you seen the reported reactions to this goodwill?

[Link]

....and that's what happens when you try to show goodwill!

EU cunds and liars [with acknowledgement to Gusset for the adjectives].

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Hansy 23 Jun 17 11.45am
Happy Independence Day to all I voted leave as I believe the Executive body in a state/country/union should be democratically voted by the population. The EU Commission President is also on €300k annually; I am a strong believer in reducing Central Government spending on wages and expenses. p.s. I believe in Free movement and the Customs Union. But not an Executive body that was not elected. Edited by Hansy (23 Jun 2017 11.50am)
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23 Jun 17 11.45am

Happy Independence Day to all

I voted leave as I believe the Executive body in a state/country/union should be democratically voted by the population. The EU Commission President is also on €300k annually; I am a strong believer in reducing Central Government spending on wages and expenses.

p.s. I believe in Free movement and the Customs Union. But not an Executive body that was not elected.

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Username Horsham 23 Jun 17 11.59am
Originally posted by Hansy Happy Independence Day to all I voted leave as I believe the Executive body in a state/country/union should be democratically voted by the population.The EU Commission P Resident is also on €300k per annnum. p.s. I believe in Free movement and the Customs Union. But not an Executive body that was not elected. Edited by Hansy (23 Jun 2017 11.46am) Edited by Hansy (23 Jun 2017 11.48am) I still don't understand this argument. The Commission comes up with ideas, but these are still voted on by MEPs, who we elect? That's no different to the Home Secretary (who is only elected as an MP) being appointed with no public vote and putting forward a bill that then gets voted on by elected representatives. Even then, for everyone moaning about unelected officials, we still have the House of Lords in this country! Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.
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Horsham 23 Jun 17 11.59am

Originally posted by Hansy

Happy Independence Day to all

I voted leave as I believe the Executive body in a state/country/union should be democratically voted by the population.The EU Commission P Resident is also on €300k per annnum.

p.s. I believe in Free movement and the Customs Union. But not an Executive body that was not elected.

Edited by Hansy (23 Jun 2017 11.46am)

Edited by Hansy (23 Jun 2017 11.48am)

I still don't understand this argument. The Commission comes up with ideas, but these are still voted on by MEPs, who we elect?

That's no different to the Home Secretary (who is only elected as an MP) being appointed with no public vote and putting forward a bill that then gets voted on by elected representatives.

Even then, for everyone moaning about unelected officials, we still have the House of Lords in this country!

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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Stirlingsays 23 Jun 17 12.18pm
Originally posted by Username I still don't understand this argument. The Commission comes up with ideas, but these are still voted on by MEPs, who we elect? That's no different to the Home Secretary (who is only elected as an MP) being appointed with no public vote and putting forward a bill that then gets voted on by elected representatives. Even then, for everyone moaning about unelected officials, we still have the House of Lords in this country! We can't help it that you don't understand. You can vote out the government so bye bye Home Secretary. You can't vote out the commission....So the executive who determine what happens is undemocratic. The House of Lords cannot decide upon what legislation comes in. They can only ask for laws to be looked at by parliament again. They are a clearing body not a body who decides the direction of laws. With the EU all we can vote on is their version of the House of Lords. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jun 2017 12.19pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Jun 17 12.18pm

Originally posted by Username

I still don't understand this argument. The Commission comes up with ideas, but these are still voted on by MEPs, who we elect?

That's no different to the Home Secretary (who is only elected as an MP) being appointed with no public vote and putting forward a bill that then gets voted on by elected representatives.

Even then, for everyone moaning about unelected officials, we still have the House of Lords in this country!

We can't help it that you don't understand.

You can vote out the government so bye bye Home Secretary.

You can't vote out the commission....So the executive who determine what happens is undemocratic.

The House of Lords cannot decide upon what legislation comes in. They can only ask for laws to be looked at by parliament again. They are a clearing body not a body who decides the direction of laws.

With the EU all we can vote on is their version of the House of Lords.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jun 2017 12.19pm)

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Username Horsham 23 Jun 17 12.28pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays We can't help it that you don't understand. You can vote out the government so bye bye Home Secretary. You can't vote out the commission....So the executive who determine what happens is undemocratic. The House of Lords cannot decide upon what legislation comes in. They can only ask for laws to be looked at by parliament again. They are a clearing body not a body who decides the direction of laws. With the EU all we can vote on is their version of the House of Lords. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jun 2017 12.19pm) It's voted on by MEPs who we elected to make decisions for us. The President is voted on by the council which includes our Prime Minister. The commissioners themselves are nominated by the PM, just like our cabinet positions here? Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.
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Horsham 23 Jun 17 12.28pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We can't help it that you don't understand.

You can vote out the government so bye bye Home Secretary.

You can't vote out the commission....So the executive who determine what happens is undemocratic.

The House of Lords cannot decide upon what legislation comes in. They can only ask for laws to be looked at by parliament again. They are a clearing body not a body who decides the direction of laws.

With the EU all we can vote on is their version of the House of Lords.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jun 2017 12.19pm)

It's voted on by MEPs who we elected to make decisions for us. The President is voted on by the council which includes our Prime Minister.

The commissioners themselves are nominated by the PM, just like our cabinet positions here?

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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Stirlingsays 23 Jun 17 12.49pm
Originally posted by Username It's voted on by MEPs who we elected to make decisions for us. The President is voted on by the council which includes our Prime Minister. The commissioners themselves are nominated by the PM, just like our cabinet positions here? Are you just being difficult? I think you are...trying to claim equivalence is plainly ridiculous. We...the people can't vote out the commission. It is the commission who get to decide the direction the EU goes. We can vote out our government. It is the government who get to decide the direction the UK goes in...well it will in 2019. The very core of the EU is undemocratic.....and what this shows is that we have plenty of people happy to go along with that. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Jun 17 12.49pm

Originally posted by Username

It's voted on by MEPs who we elected to make decisions for us. The President is voted on by the council which includes our Prime Minister.

The commissioners themselves are nominated by the PM, just like our cabinet positions here?

Are you just being difficult? I think you are...trying to claim equivalence is plainly ridiculous.

We...the people can't vote out the commission. It is the commission who get to decide the direction the EU goes.

We can vote out our government. It is the government who get to decide the direction the UK goes in...well it will in 2019.

The very core of the EU is undemocratic.....and what this shows is that we have plenty of people happy to go along with that.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 23 Jun 17 12.49pm
Originally posted by europalace Most immigration into the UK has been far higher from non-EU countries than from the EU for every year the UK has been an EU member. This will not change once the UK leaves the EU. What will change is the opportunities for the younger generation who will be relegated to second choice within teh 27 country strong EU. Nice for the older people who voted to leave the EU but what do they care when they won't be around to pick up the pieces? A selfish and nasty older generation who has no interest in the future of their own country. If I were the EU, I would make it EU law to accept as EU residents anyone from the UK who isn't a pensioner (at least 10 years to pensionable age) with open arms. Leave the rotting older generation in the UK to smolder in their own compost. That just sums up your arrogant and warped mind. What a fecking idiot you are and a proper keyboard warrior. What a stupid thing to say and you STILL have not taken me up on a meet up on your own patch....what a wimp you are. You are really showing your true colours and its a good job you live in Malta...best you stay there! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 23 Jun 17 12.49pm

Originally posted by europalace

Most immigration into the UK has been far higher from non-EU countries than from the EU for every year the UK has been an EU member. This will not change once the UK leaves the EU. What will change is the opportunities for the younger generation who will be relegated to second choice within teh 27 country strong EU. Nice for the older people who voted to leave the EU but what do they care when they won't be around to pick up the pieces? A selfish and nasty older generation who has no interest in the future of their own country.

If I were the EU, I would make it EU law to accept as EU residents anyone from the UK who isn't a pensioner (at least 10 years to pensionable age) with open arms. Leave the rotting older generation in the UK to smolder in their own compost.

That just sums up your arrogant and warped mind. What a fecking idiot you are and a proper keyboard warrior. What a stupid thing to say and you STILL have not taken me up on a meet up on your own patch....what a wimp you are. You are really showing your true colours and its a good job you live in Malta...best you stay there!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Hansy 23 Jun 17 1.09pm
Originally posted by Username The commissioners themselves are nominated by the PM, just like our cabinet positions here? And not everyone votes for our PM. Nor does all the heads of states vote on the commissioner that gets the job. If the population cannot vote on who runs the executive body of the EU, it is not democratic. Edited by Hansy (23 Jun 2017 1.11pm)
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23 Jun 17 1.09pm

Originally posted by Username

The commissioners themselves are nominated by the PM, just like our cabinet positions here?

And not everyone votes for our PM. Nor does all the heads of states vote on the commissioner that gets the job. If the population cannot vote on who runs the executive body of the EU, it is not democratic.

Edited by Hansy (23 Jun 2017 1.11pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Jun 17 1.14pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Are you just being difficult? I think you are...trying to claim equivalence is plainly ridiculous. We...the people can't vote out the commission. It is the commission who get to decide the direction the EU goes. We can vote out our government. It is the government who get to decide the direction the UK goes in...well it will in 2019. The very core of the EU is undemocratic.....and what this shows is that we have plenty of people happy to go along with that. Time was if schools in an authority were crap you could vote out the council, but now you can't vote out an academy chain. All this outsourcing is making local government undemocratic.
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Shizzlehurst 23 Jun 17 1.14pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Are you just being difficult? I think you are...trying to claim equivalence is plainly ridiculous.

We...the people can't vote out the commission. It is the commission who get to decide the direction the EU goes.

We can vote out our government. It is the government who get to decide the direction the UK goes in...well it will in 2019.

The very core of the EU is undemocratic.....and what this shows is that we have plenty of people happy to go along with that.

Time was if schools in an authority were crap you could vote out the council, but now you can't vote out an academy chain.

All this outsourcing is making local government undemocratic.

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