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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 01 Nov 20 12.38am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
‘Not sure of the authenticity...’ Look - the amount of negative sentiment and press the government is getting for even the slightest misstep is off the charts. Do you really think they’d be taking these measures just for fun? There has also been plenty of recent analysis of the statistical delay, and instead of the commonly touted 2 weeks it is now being suggested that it could be as much as one month. No one likes it, but is it better to trust the science (let’s not forget people were pissing their pants with laughter at the 300 deaths a day by October just last month, where are they now?) or gamble that actually some of the indicators are wrong and really we should just ride this s*** out, come what may. Feck it, I’m the people’s champ. Go forth morons, and multiply! There’s no way the science or the government are even close to 100% accurate, or ‘right’. But that’s not the point. It’s a binary choice, about which way the balance is headed. It’s not like they’ve rushed into it this time, it’s been a steady build, with localised restrictions tried as a precursor. Boris and his cabinet are getting roasted alive by his backbenchers - interpret sections of the data how you like, but they have the qualifications and sight of the whole picture, and more importantly, the responsibility - so I can’t think that they’ve taken this decision based on a trend of falling infections and increasing capacity. Sorry but they’re using Neil Ferguson again, excess deaths aren’t up and other deaths have mysteriously disappeared.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 01 Nov 20 12.48am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Ok, how about you refute anything posted by me or Rudi with actual facts. Not mere histrionics. Actual facts that refute the posts. Your opinion, backed up by a few others, has no actual evidence, except what the government tell you via the media. On any other occasion, you would not believe it, simply because it came from the government. Hypocracy is alive and kicking. You cherrypick what you want to think without a question, because that is what you want to think. You are an easily manipulated person. You listen only when told to. Good grief.... He’s completely gone. A full on ingsoc member. He will completely ignore that excess deaths and hospitalisations are not higher than normal and that other deaths and hospitalisations have miraculously disappeared. So no, not looking like a big pandemic at all. But let’s forget about the Covid tests and admissions fiasco in hospitals and the reporting.
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BlueJay  UK 01 Nov 20 12.49am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Ok, how about you refute anything posted by me or Rudi with actual facts. Not mere histrionics. Actual facts that refute the posts. Your opinion, backed up by a few others, has no actual evidence, except what the government tell you via the media. On any other occasion, you would not believe it, simply because it came from the government. Hypocracy is alive and kicking. You cherrypick what you want to think without a question, because that is what you want to think. You are an easily manipulated person. You listen only when told to. Good grief.... If you want histrionics you need look no further than your own contributions. Last time you replied it started with an unnerving "I'm calm. Are you?" before lurching into hysterical statements like "You are the archetypal example of the problems in this world" , pleas for me to show you how another lockdown is justified (when I've never even said it is to begin with) and evoking ideas of being people 'locked in prison' and 'shot' for disobeying the government, before once again feeling the need to dissect someones cause of death. It was a batsh!t insane post from someone with a clear lack of empathy as well as a temper. But yes, you would benefit from calming down.
Yesterday the ludicrous claim was made that no media exists showing busy test centres. It took about 10 seconds to find one. The answer to that? 'That's one test centre'. So I posted several more. The answer to that? A peppering of tweets to shove it off the page. That's the point, its not about facts, it's about 'feelings'. Whether a testing centre is busy or not is dependent on the area and time and people test positive elsewhere too, but people are clearly testing positive in large numbers for covid-19. Much more so than months back.
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 01 Nov 20 12.49am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Sorry but they’re using Neil Ferguson again, excess deaths aren’t up and other deaths have mysteriously disappeared. Ok, if that’s the case, sure, that’s an interesting one. But you’re saying what here though? That they’ve misinterpreted the data and just hit the red button for the thrill of it? Like a bunch of sadists they like being summarily destroyed by literally everyone so thought they’d dabble again just because? Come on. Also, again, ITS REALLY NOT ABOUT DEATHS Edited by SW19 CPFC (01 Nov 2020 12.50am)
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| BlueJay UK 01 Nov 20 12.51am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Like I said. It's like a religion now. Believe or blaspheme. f***ing beyond reason you guys. Oh yes Tim, you're so wise. What other explanation could there possibly be. It's a difficult time. Decisions being made by the government are outside of our control. Getting in a pointless rage at other people about it won't solve anything. Get your emotions in check. Edited by BlueJay (01 Nov 2020 1.45am)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 01 Nov 20 12.54am |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
If you want histrionics you need look no further than your own contributions. Last time you replied it started with an unnerving "I'm calm. Are you?" before lurching into hysterical statements like "You are the archetypal example of the problems in this world" , pleas for me to show you how another lockdown is justified (when I've never even said it is to begin with) and evoking ideas of being people 'locked in prison' and 'shot' for disobeying the government, before once again dissecting the death of someones mother. It was a batsh!t insane post from someone with a temper. But yes, you would benefit from calming down.
Yesterday the ludicrous claim was made that no media exists showing busy test centres. Two seconds later I posted an image of one. The answer to that? 'That's one test centre'. So I posted several more. The answer to that? I peppering of tweets to shove it off the page. That's the point, its not about facts, it's about 'feelings'. People are clearly testing positive in large numbers for covid-19 and whether a testing centre is busy or not is dependent on the area and time. Loads of empty northern testing centres in NW and NE including places like Sunderland today. I suppose busy test centres a month ago makes these incredulous.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 01 Nov 20 12.59am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Ok, if that’s the case, sure, that’s an interesting one. But you’re saying what here though? That they’ve misinterpreted the data and just hit the red button for the thrill of it? Like a bunch of sadists they like being summarily destroyed by literally everyone so thought they’d dabble again just because? Come on. Also, again, ITS REALLY NOT ABOUT DEATHS Edited by SW19 CPFC (01 Nov 2020 12.50am) There has been manipulation of stuff from the start. Doctors doing so with death certificates to justify lockdown. Testing in hospitals, change to the definition of admissions. There is definitely government eyes on the public inquiry and i expect they’re really worried about awarding their mates the contracts. The hospitals are not any more busy than they normally are, Covid is not rising out of control, nightingale hospitals aren’t being used anyway and other respiratory deaths suddenly aren’t happening.
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| BlueJay UK 01 Nov 20 1.02am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Loads of empty northern testing centres in NW and NE including places like Sunderland today. I suppose busy test centres a month ago makes these incredulous. The truth is out there Rudi. That a handful of echo chamber nuts take a tonne of videos of empty test centres simply must mean that they are all but empty all the time all around the country.. and the 20,000+ positive tests a day and therefore either carried out in hospital or false positives. Fascinating insights.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 01 Nov 20 1.02am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Loads of empty northern testing centres in NW and NE including places like Sunderland today. I suppose busy test centres a month ago makes these incredulous. This appears to be mainly due to another one of the governments many cock ups, test and trace / testing system. The amount of people trying to get tests that are being told they can’t, or that capacity is full, is high. There are plenty of accounts of people then taking it on themselves to drive down without an appointment, only to see an empty facility and be turned away because ‘they don’t have an appointment’ despite not being able to book one. It seems the demand is there but the system isn’t. Edited by SW19 CPFC (01 Nov 2020 1.03am)
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 01 Nov 20 1.08am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
There has been manipulation of stuff from the start. Doctors doing so with death certificates to justify lockdown. Testing in hospitals, change to the definition of admissions. There is definitely government eyes on the public inquiry and i expect they’re really worried about awarding their mates the contracts. The hospitals are not any more busy than they normally are, Covid is not rising out of control, nightingale hospitals aren’t being used anyway and other respiratory deaths suddenly aren’t happening. Oh for sure, loads going on. Also when has any government, or frankly, person, not intentionally or unintentionally been selective or manipulative with stats? There’s the whole what is a Covid death when it’s not actually a Covid death malarkey. But the angle you’re taking is the full swing - ie everything is being fudged so there’s not actually a pandemic. The chance of that being the case is pretty small, and would, eventually get blown up by an inquiry. The fallout would be intense. Also ‘hospitals are not any more busy...’ - big call, based on? Edited by SW19 CPFC (01 Nov 2020 1.10am)
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| BlueJay UK 01 Nov 20 1.19am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
There has been manipulation of stuff from the start. Doctors doing so with death certificates to justify lockdown. Testing in hospitals, change to the definition of admissions. There is definitely government eyes on the public inquiry and i expect they’re really worried about awarding their mates the contracts. The hospitals are not any more busy than they normally are, Covid is not rising out of control, nightingale hospitals aren’t being used anyway and other respiratory deaths suddenly aren’t happening. Do you not see that while there can be elements of truth to things, you absolutely latch onto anything and everything that's 'off' as if that's the full picture that's being hidden. You spend zero time scrutinising this stuff and endlessly do down salient points from other perspectives because they don't fit into your dark scheme of things. You're stating both opinion and conspiracy as fact. Just taking one simple point, some hospitals patently 'are' busier with covid patients now than months back. And they 'are' getting busier as more people are admitted, so what's the point in repeatedly making definitive statements that are detached from reality. And take the flu. We were in a months long lockdown and have been more careful clearly is a factor that may contribute to flu numbers being low this year (the flu season isn't over). Death certificates stated fewer flu deaths in 2014 and 2015 than Jan - Aug this year anyway, so you're just cherry picking higher number years to prop up your 'its all lies!' take. On top of that January 2020 saw a very significant drop from the 5 year average and this was pre-covid. The reality extends a bit beyond your conspiratorial one liner; flu seasons vary significantly. But you have zero motivation to factor any of this in because it doesn't fit your 'hidden truth' view, so you choose to ignore all of that and instead on multiple occasions go all in with a view that many covid deaths are in fact 'the flu'. You're repeatedly opting for a blinkered outlook rather than applying reason. You don't need to discard of absolutely everything that doesn't fit neatly into a narrative. It would be better to accept that realities are often nuanced. Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
He’s completely gone. A full on ingsoc member. More nonsense. I've stated my view of this lockdown; and can see some merit in muddling along as we are, over locking society down. It's not my call though is it. You're averse to nuance and so of course you look to state out of nowhere that I'm all for totalitarian government because it saves you from having to question your own pop-up book take on a complex and multi faceted situation. Edited by BlueJay (01 Nov 2020 2.58am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 01 Nov 20 8.19am |
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This argument over statistics reminds me of the unemployment numbers. Government says it is going down opposition claim the numbers are fudged / hidden unemployment. In both cases though there is a trend so even if the figures are dodgy / open to interpretation if you step back it is quite clear that Covid numbers are rising and in some areas rapidly even if the data is conflicting. This true across Europe with governments of all sorts of flavour so I don't buy into the conspiracy theory that someone is inventing it e.g. blame the Tories. I don't agree with a full national lockdown there are parts of this country that are fine so this does not make sense for them. My preference would to be have proper localised lockdowns in which the police would actually stop the public from leaving or going into that area so allowing the rest of the country to get on with their lives. However I am not in charge so we will have to put up with it and my guess is that it is easier for the government to tell us all to stay home then to enforce martial law in certain areas which is what I would do.
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