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 Badger11  Beckenham 18 Jun 24 8.53am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I read it, and the leaflet posted through my letter box last night. I laughed out loud. It’s populist garbage produced by those who know full well they will never have to deliver on any of it so can produce dreams and then criticise others for not delivering them. The attitude on climate change was particularly revealing. It’s no better than saying you will halve taxes and double spending. What’s worse is that some people obviously think it’s deliverable. Or “really quite good”. It almost makes me wish they were given power for a few weeks just so their supporters could witness the immediate meltdown. Just as we did with Truss. I hope those Conservative voters thinking of switching to Reform read this carefully. They aren’t all incapable of realising how impractical it is, so I hope this actually ends up harming their prospects. I suspect it will. It certainly deserves to. And yet they are good Tory policies which shows how far left the Conservative Party has drifted if you think they are a joke. Reform is essentially a Thatcherite party.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jun 24 9.32am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I read it, and the leaflet posted through my letter box last night. I laughed out loud. It is so predictable and impractical it could have been lifted straight from these pages. It’s populist garbage produced by those who know full well they will never have to deliver on any of it so can produce dreams and then criticise others for not delivering them. The attitude on climate change was particularly revealing. It’s no better than saying you will halve taxes and double spending. What’s worse is that some people obviously think it’s deliverable. Or “really quite good”. It almost makes me wish they were given power for a few weeks just so their supporters could witness the immediate meltdown. Just as we did with Truss. I hope those Conservative voters thinking of switching to Reform read this carefully. They aren’t all incapable of realising how impractical it is, so I hope this actually ends up harming their prospects. I suspect it will. It certainly deserves to. Reform's rise represents the anger that people feel towards those with attitudes like yours. With the Tories controlled by centerist puppets and labour run by weirdos, there is only one place to go.
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| eaglesdare 18 Jun 24 10.25am |
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I for one have just registered to vote for the first time. And I will be voting for the party of common sense. That is Reform. If anyone else would like to the register to vote for this election it expires tonight at 11.59pm
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| georgenorman 18 Jun 24 12.09pm |
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I was undecided as to who to vote for, but having read Wisbech's review of the Reform policy document, I shall vote for them - thanks Wis.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 18 Jun 24 12.11pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I read it, and the leaflet posted through my letter box last night. I laughed out loud. It is so predictable and impractical it could have been lifted straight from these pages. It’s populist garbage produced by those who know full well they will never have to deliver on any of it so can produce dreams and then criticise others for not delivering them. The attitude on climate change was particularly revealing. It’s no better than saying you will halve taxes and double spending. What’s worse is that some people obviously think it’s deliverable. Or “really quite good”. It almost makes me wish they were given power for a few weeks just so their supporters could witness the immediate meltdown. Just as we did with Truss. I hope those Conservative voters thinking of switching to Reform read this carefully. They aren’t all incapable of realising how impractical it is, so I hope this actually ends up harming their prospects. I suspect it will. It certainly deserves to. TaxPolicy.Org have priced the proposed Reform tax cuts at costing £93bn. The manifesto has a total unfunded costs of at least £38bn, which is about 2x Liz Trusses.
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 18 Jun 24 12.25pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
TaxPolicy.Org have priced the proposed Reform tax cuts at costing £93bn. The manifesto has a total unfunded costs of at least £38bn, which is about 2x Liz Trusses. Not surprised. My view is that Reform have merely highlighted areas where the public may have concerns, thereby encouraging Labour and Conservatives to take up the hint and move their own performance towards these aspects. Not necessary to match Reform; just tinker with and throw some minimal weight in the direction of their policies. Reform - if they do become the alternative political force to an assumed Labour in 2029 - will then have some momentum in their policies from their 2024 manifesto.
hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing. |
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| georgenorman 18 Jun 24 12.37pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
TaxPolicy.Org have priced the proposed Reform tax cuts at costing £93bn. The manifesto has a total unfunded costs of at least £38bn, which is about 2x Liz Trusses. Easily solved - abolish Greater London Authority and the London Mayor (£20 billion), abolish Scottish parliament (15 billion), abolish Welsh parliament (16 billion) - while we are at it, abolish Police Commissioners.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 18 Jun 24 12.39pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Easily solved - abolish Greater London Authority and the London Mayor (£20 billion), abolish Scottish parliament (15 billion), abolish Welsh parliament (16 billion) - while we are at it, abolish Police Commissioners. To be fair that's about as realistic as the rest of the manifesto.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 18 Jun 24 1.01pm |
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If the UK were to return to the single market that would attract investment, apart from that a 'magic money tree' has to be found from somewhere, Reeves financial staight-jacket is more of the same. The graph on post-referendum Britain shows the loss of GDP compertitiveness and others we have more or less decided to grin and bear, however on investment it is a purple line, a 'bomb crater'. Starmer is right Gordon Brown did produce steady growth which produced surpluses for public services especially the NHS hence the high level of satisfaction at the time. But he neglects to point out that the UK was attractive as a gateway to europe in those days, now it is not. Truss tried to borrow the UK out of the problem with disastrous results, that's no longer an option. Scraping along the bottom in the G7 for investment and productivity for the last decade. When they are out, the tories will reflect on how any government could be as bad as they were.
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cryrst  The garden of England 18 Jun 24 1.02pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
TaxPolicy.Org have priced the proposed Reform tax cuts at costing £93bn. The manifesto has a total unfunded costs of at least £38bn, which is about 2x Liz Trusses. Do you really believe starmer has costed his. He is relying on the financial environment to keep rising. That is an unknown. Edited by cryrst (18 Jun 2024 1.04pm)
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| cryrst The garden of England 18 Jun 24 1.05pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
If the UK were to return to the single market that would attract investment, apart from that a 'magic money tree' has to be found from somewhere, Reeves financial staight-jacket is more of the same. The graph on post-referendum Britain shows the loss of GDP compertitiveness and others we have more or less decided to grin and bear, however on investment it is a purple line, a 'bomb crater'. Starmer is right Gordon Brown did produce steady growth which produced surpluses for public services especially the NHS hence the high level of satisfaction at the time. But he neglects to point out that the UK was attractive as a gateway to europe in those days, now it is not. Truss tried to borrow the UK out of the problem with disastrous results, that's no longer an option. Scraping along the bottom in the G7 for investment and productivity for the last decade. When they are out, the tories will reflect on how any government could be as bad as they were.
You will see one very soon
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| Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jun 24 1.27pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
To be fair that's about as realistic as the rest of the manifesto. You might as well throw Labours manifesto because it will be a fully funded, fully costed pack of lies. I guarantee you that next to none of it will happen. How on earth will they create growth and wealth with a pack of negative anti aspirational policies?
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