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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Apr 23 9.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Sure and my point was this works as long as the owners / senior staff aren't in on the fiddle. At my bank if you failed an audit all staff in that division did not get an annual bonus and it was a black mark for the senior management team regarding careers. So they had a vested interest in putting pressure on the audit team to tone stuff down or even ignore it as in "we'll fix that but no need to mention it in the report". I'm sure this goes on at a lot of places. You mentioned KPMG how many times have they and Price Waterhouse etc. signed off on accounts only for that company to go belly up not long afterwards. Surely an independent auditor would find and report any fiddling even when it involves those at the top? Internal auditors I can understand being pressured.
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Teddy Eagle 25 Apr 23 11.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Surely an independent auditor would find and report any fiddling even when it involves those at the top? Internal auditors I can understand being pressured. Isn't that Badger's point though? If those at the top are receiving reports about their own fiddling nothing is going to happen.
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 26 Apr 23 12.59am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not a clinician so am not able to answer in detail but believe they are when there is a higher risk of the transfer of micro-organisms during medical procedures. Micro-organisms are always present, whatever procedure. What would be higher risk of transfer. Can your wife not enlighten you? I mean, you have obviously asked her. Why does she not know when she has to use a "N95" mask?
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Eden Eagle Kent 02 May 23 12.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Ok, if you want to be pedantic, N95 "type" masks. It's how people refer to them as they are nearly identical. My wife, and her colleagues, continue to wear surgical masks for their daily work. So they believe they are effective. Whether just in providing reassurance or in restricting the chances of receiving a direct heavy viral load, or both, I don't know. They have N95 types available for specific situations. Patients don't have to wear masks, but they are available for those who want them. Having been in hospital since Saturday evening I would say that mask wearing from NHS staff is probably 50% although it was 100% in the operating theatre. None of the masks that have been worn could be described as “N95” style.
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Stirlingsays 06 May 23 6.16pm | |
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Brand exposing corruption and dishonesty to the wider public.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 May 23 8.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Brand exposing corruption and dishonesty to the wider public. No, he isn't. He is dominating an interview with a perfectly respectable investigative journalist and then spinning what the guy is saying to match the sensationalist allegations which keep the dosh pouring into his bank account. Fang raises some very reasonable questions about disclosure. Should community groups who receive support from commercial enterprises that may benefit from their activities disclose that support? If those community groups had a right of reply they may well say that their conviction that the vaccines needed to be accepted by the reluctant is genuine (which Fang also believes) but their ability to reach their targets was stymied by a lack of funding. Thus support from the Pharma industry was a win-win. Those they were concerned about won because they got information and the Pharma industry won too. Should it be disclosed? I am surprised it isn't a requirement already and it surely ought to be. Then the kind of spinning indulged in here could be avoided. That the Pharma industry is big, powerful and needs to generate profits so it can go on doing its research, is obvious. Research which results in products that have extended all our lives, which make more profist to continue the cycle. So watch the video and judge it. I noticed the way Brand has the last word and doesn't include Fang's closing remarks. I wonder why? Perhaps he wasn't impressed by the interview? I wasn't.
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Stirlingsays 06 May 23 9.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No, he isn't. He is dominating an interview with a perfectly respectable investigative journalist and then spinning what the guy is saying to match the sensationalist allegations which keep the dosh pouring into his bank account. Fang raises some very reasonable questions about disclosure. Should community groups who receive support from commercial enterprises that may benefit from their activities disclose that support? If those community groups had a right of reply they may well say that their conviction that the vaccines needed to be accepted by the reluctant is genuine (which Fang also believes) but their ability to reach their targets was stymied by a lack of funding. Thus support from the Pharma industry was a win-win. Those they were concerned about won because they got information and the Pharma industry won too. Should it be disclosed? I am surprised it isn't a requirement already and it surely ought to be. Then the kind of spinning indulged in here could be avoided. That the Pharma industry is big, powerful and needs to generate profits so it can go on doing its research, is obvious. Research which results in products that have extended all our lives, which make more profist to continue the cycle. So watch the video and judge it. I noticed the way Brand has the last word and doesn't include Fang's closing remarks. I wonder why? Perhaps he wasn't impressed by the interview? I wasn't. As usual Wisbech spends his time criticising those who bring the truth to the public instead of the crooks he plainly approves of.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 May 23 11.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
As usual Wisbech spends his time criticising those who bring the truth to the public instead of the crooks he plainly approves of. This isn't though "the truth"! It is a diatribe from an opinionated YouTuber with an agenda. An agenda which, in my opinion, has a great deal more to do with making money out of the prejudiced than ever it does about discovering "the truth". Fang raises legitimate issues worthy of further investigation. Brand though decides to interpret them in ways that I am quite sure were never intended and pushes his own wild conclusions. Watch the video and decide for yourselves. I don't believe the Pharma industry to be "crooks". They need to be effectively regulated but that's down to us to ensure happens. What is certain is that their work has delivered enormous good to all of us. Here is a more objective interview with Fang, who is obviously doing the rounds to promote his "discovery":- Edited by Wisbech Eagle (06 May 2023 11.51pm)
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Teddy Eagle 06 May 23 11.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This isn't though "the truth"! It is a diatribe from an opinionated YouTuber with an agenda. An agenda which, in my opinion, has a great deal more to do with making money out of the prejudiced than ever it does about discovering "the truth". Fang raises legitimate issues worthy of further investigation. Brand though decides to interpret them in ways that I am quite sure were never intended and pushes his own wild conclusions. Watch the video and decide for yourselves. I don't believe the Pharma industry to be "crooks". They need to be effectively regulated but that's down to us to ensure happens. What is certain is that their work has delivered enormous good to all of us. Out of interest how do "we" regulate pharmaceutical companies? Particularly American companies?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 May 23 11.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Out of interest how do "we" regulate pharmaceutical companies? Particularly American companies? We regulate all pharmaceutical companies that market their products in the UK via the MHRA, The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency.
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Teddy Eagle 07 May 23 12.01am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We regulate all pharmaceutical companies that market their products in the UK via the MHRA, The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency. So by "us" you mean the regulatory body responsible.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 May 23 8.29am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So by "us" you mean the regulatory body responsible. Of course. How else could we do it? Regulatory bodies work on our behalf. That's their function, at the behest of government who are elected by us to serve our interests.
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