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This latching onto individual words or phrases like stupid or dog-whistle like you're slapping on a pair of cuffs isn't going too well is it. Clearly I've used it here to state that both terms, 'virtue signaling' and 'dog whistle', can be overplayed but that indeed both are real and left, right equivalents. There isn't very well much chance of conveying this balanced view without using the actual terms.

If merely using the word 'dog whistle' has me exposed as some kind of 'progressive', which I'm not by the way, you might want to address your habit of using alt- right terminology or writing odes to figures in that far right community. Though from what you say here you're only enamored by them because you've decided that the far right hold 'no political power' whereas 'progressives' have apparently taken over the whole of society from top to bottom and are the dominant voice. Instead of calling a far right equivalent, in fact more extreme, of beliefs you clearly hate exactly what is it, you get doe eyed over it due to its position in the political landscape.

This attitude and behaviour is a parallel of the safe space loving social justice warrior view that if you're black you simply can't be racist even if you're behaving in exactly the same way as a white racist, or that it somehow doesn't matter, solely because you don't have 'institutional power structures' and the 'dominant view' behind you. As if there is a free pass because of the perceived weight your position, political or otherwise, holds. In ones own head perhaps, but not in reality I'm afraid regardless of political leanings.

People that despise a certain political ideology to the point where it becomes who they are, just become the opposite equivalent of that problem down to the smallest detail. The old 'stare into the void and..'. It's unfortunate and I'd rather just get back to talking about Trump to be honest, so I'll leave you to it.

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A bit fond of self aggrandizement aren't we? - the person of balance able to correctly identify those of extremes on both sides? So you're the one able to see the follies of everyone ....oh great. Well, perhaps your eyesight isn't as even as you think it is. I don't recognise myself in your glasses.

I grant you....from what I've said you aren't a fully fledged signed up member of that team but I can remember the debate on 'words as violence'. I wasn't comfortable with your position on that personally as I remember it. You argued that words could be violence.

If I've remembered incorrectly then for sure, correct me....unlike some I don't presume to be the all seeing eye.

I criticise the progressive movement...it started on the left but It's adherents and supporters are on both the left and the right in the modern day. May herself is the author of our 'hate speech' laws.

She isn't a fully signed up but she supports enough of it for it to be identified.

You obviously agree with me on some excesses of progressivism at least. Similar to how we agree that those who try to sack people on political grounds cause societal problems.

That's your opinion and I think in my case it's a mislabeling.

So, going from your criticisms of Trump, you have become the 'opposite equivalent of that problem down to the smallest detail'. So are you the 'tea party' then?

While it's true that I hold some strong positions I also believe in fairness of treatment in all but the most extreme security exceptions.

Some people become the reverse mirror of what they hate but in accussing people of that you need to provide evidence for it. You made contentions about me in your second to last post and I asked you several questions about it to be specific and you you didn't answer them.... it would be nice if you did. Personally I always answer questions put to me that I'm aware of.

There are worldviews. There are principles people adhere to. I stand for certain principles and against others.

That makes me no different to anyone else. You either agree with my criticisms, partly agree or fully disagree. There is nothing more profound to it than that.

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" You argued that words could be violence."

Think that was probably me, stirling, referencing Rwanda as as example and extreme verbal bullying which could lead to breakdowns or direct and meant threats to kill a la the bad old days in Northern Ireland.

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Thanks for clearing up the confusion.

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