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Southern Rail Strike - right or wrong
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 Helmet46  Croydon 07 Jan 17 2.59pm |
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Originally posted by gambler
No I'm not pretending otherwise. Of course that's the case. I'll think we'll have to agree to differ though. In my view it's their days off. If the company don't have enough drivers then it's the company's fault. The passengers safety on the drivers days off can't possibly be their fault. Happy to agree to differ. Be a boring place if we all agreed
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| gambler Kent 07 Jan 17 3.00pm |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
Happy to agree to differ. Be a boring place if we all agreed Indeed.
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| Spiderman Horsham 07 Jan 17 3.16pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
^ Can I politely ask then.. why did drivers work the overtime if it was not in their contracts? Presumably to earn extra money (fair enough)but did this not play into the company's hands?
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| gambler Kent 07 Jan 17 3.52pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Can I politely ask then.. why did drivers work the overtime if it was not in their contracts? Presumably to earn extra money (fair enough)but did this not play into the company's hands? I'd say the benefit is all with the drivers, dont know why you may think it plays into the company's hands? They can work overtime and earn extra but also use it as a bargaining tool and withdraw from working when needed. The problem for the company is that it is so much cheaper than employing more staff. And in the franchises it's all about profit for the company and is all short term focused. They don't want to train up loads of staff knowing they may lose the franchise in the future.
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| 7mins In the bush 07 Jan 17 5.09pm |
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Originally posted by gambler
I'd say the benefit is all with the drivers, dont know why you may think it plays into the company's hands? They can work overtime and earn extra but also use it as a bargaining tool and withdraw from working when needed. The problem for the company is that it is so much cheaper than employing more staff. And in the franchises it's all about profit for the company and is all short term focused. They don't want to train up loads of staff knowing they may lose the franchise in the future. Yep. Train drivers are in the top 10% of wage earners. It was difficult to get them to work overtime. It seems their goodwill has all but disappeared. We used to get production managers to phone drivers at home and convince them to work. It wasn't easy. If you worked for a s***ty company, would you do them favours?
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| gambler Kent 07 Jan 17 5.14pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Yep. Train drivers are in the top 10% of wage earners. It was difficult to get them to work overtime. It seems their goodwill has all but disappeared. We used to get production managers to phone drivers at home and convince them to work. It wasn't easy. If you worked for a s***ty company, would you do them favours? I'll do it for 12
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| 7mins In the bush 07 Jan 17 5.30pm |
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Originally posted by gambler
I'll do it for 12 Ha. If I had a £1 for every time I heard that.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Jan 17 2.19pm |
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| Spiderman Horsham 10 Jan 17 6.23pm |
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SeeCorbyn has stated he may join the picket lines! Of course there is no political agenda to this dispute..it's all about safety!!
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Jan 17 6.31pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
SeeCorbyn has stated he may join the picket lines! Of course there is no political agenda to this dispute..it's all about safety!! Ignorance is bliss.
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Attachment: | hedgehog50 Croydon 10 Jan 17 6.41pm |
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I take it Corbyn is not wedded to free movement of people affected by the strike? Edited by hedgehog50 (10 Jan 2017 6.41pm)
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| Helmet46 Croydon 10 Jan 17 7.41pm |
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You're all wasting your time. None of the pro-strike supporters on here (a couple of whom tell us they know loads about trains and driving them and southern and unions etc but sweet fa about the effect on the travelling public of the action of their heroes as, by their own admission don't commute) will never admit the union might be even slightly wrong.
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