This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
ukip (LOCKED)
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In
 SloveniaDave  Tirana, Albania 19 May 14 10.42pm |
  |
|---|---|
|
Quote matt_himself at 19 May 2014 10.34pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 19 May 2014 10.24pm
Quote matt_himself at 19 May 2014 10.21pm
Quote kevpofcpfc at 19 May 2014 7.08pm
I await with interest.
However intrigued as you know how this is better than the average London Street. Please expand.
But by definition, I am a foreigner where I live so my experience is not typical. In your previous post, you referred to a 'group' rather than a family, but isn't that a bit like living next to a student house in the UK? I don't see the Romanian group, or the Poles or the Brits as any better or worse. We all have problems with Roma (as opposed to Romanians) now, wherever we live and that is another issue entirely, but if I was desperate for a bowl of soup, I think I would be a lot more comfortable going to a Romanian neighbour than an English one.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive) |
|
 Alert a moderator to this post |
 |
matt_himself  Matataland 19 May 14 10.51pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Quote SloveniaDave at 19 May 2014 10.42pm
Quote matt_himself at 19 May 2014 10.34pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 19 May 2014 10.24pm
Quote matt_himself at 19 May 2014 10.21pm
Quote kevpofcpfc at 19 May 2014 7.08pm
I await with interest.
However intrigued as you know how this is better than the average London Street. Please expand.
But by definition, I am a foreigner where I live so my experience is not typical. In your previous post, you referred to a 'group' rather than a family, but isn't that a bit like living next to a student house in the UK? I don't see the Romanian group, or the Poles or the Brits as any better or worse. We all have problems with Roma (as opposed to Romanians) now, wherever we live and that is another issue entirely, but if I was desperate for a bowl of soup, I think I would be a lot more comfortable going to a Romanian neighbour than an English one.
You are right to say that your experience is different and not what others may view it as. Would it be like a student house? Yes, I guess, but as most students are middle class in this country the response to their anti social behaviours would be dealt with differently than to a group of non British nationals by most people in this country. Would I give you a bowl of soup? Yes, I would. I believe it neighbourly and he right thing to do as I believe in a civic mentality. I am sorry your host nation has not made you feel as welcome as you make out. That is a problem for all of us, left and right, although I am sure it is the rights fault from the moral majority on here.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 19 May 14 11.05pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Quote matt_himself at 19 May 2014 10.51pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 19 May 2014 10.42pm
Quote matt_himself at 19 May 2014 10.34pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 19 May 2014 10.24pm
Quote matt_himself at 19 May 2014 10.21pm
Quote kevpofcpfc at 19 May 2014 7.08pm
I await with interest.
However intrigued as you know how this is better than the average London Street. Please expand.
But by definition, I am a foreigner where I live so my experience is not typical. In your previous post, you referred to a 'group' rather than a family, but isn't that a bit like living next to a student house in the UK? I don't see the Romanian group, or the Poles or the Brits as any better or worse. We all have problems with Roma (as opposed to Romanians) now, wherever we live and that is another issue entirely, but if I was desperate for a bowl of soup, I think I would be a lot more comfortable going to a Romanian neighbour than an English one.
You are right to say that your experience is different and not what others may view it as. Would it be like a student house? Yes, I guess, but as most students are middle class in this country the response to their anti social behaviours would be dealt with differently than to a group of non British nationals by most people in this country. Would I give you a bowl of soup? Yes, I would. I believe it neighbourly and he right thing to do as I believe in a civic mentality. I am sorry your host nation has not made you feel as welcome as you make out. That is a problem for all of us, left and right, although I am sure it is the rights fault from the moral majority on here.
My guess is that it has more to do with 'big cities' than countries - people are generally supportive but large urban areas, with transient, anonymous populations are much harder to integrate into, wherever or whoever you are. My experience stems from almost 20 years of living and working in central & eastern Europe so you can certainly say that I have a perspective which is different to most, but that experience tells me that - most people are decent The UK has every right to reject the EU but my concern is that it should do so from an informed position of the full consequences.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| matt_himself Matataland 19 May 14 11.19pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Quote SloveniaDave at 19 May 2014 11.05pm
Quote matt_himself at 19 May 2014 10.51pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 19 May 2014 10.42pm
Quote matt_himself at 19 May 2014 10.34pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 19 May 2014 10.24pm
Quote matt_himself at 19 May 2014 10.21pm
Quote kevpofcpfc at 19 May 2014 7.08pm
I await with interest.
However intrigued as you know how this is better than the average London Street. Please expand.
But by definition, I am a foreigner where I live so my experience is not typical. In your previous post, you referred to a 'group' rather than a family, but isn't that a bit like living next to a student house in the UK? I don't see the Romanian group, or the Poles or the Brits as any better or worse. We all have problems with Roma (as opposed to Romanians) now, wherever we live and that is another issue entirely, but if I was desperate for a bowl of soup, I think I would be a lot more comfortable going to a Romanian neighbour than an English one.
You are right to say that your experience is different and not what others may view it as. Would it be like a student house? Yes, I guess, but as most students are middle class in this country the response to their anti social behaviours would be dealt with differently than to a group of non British nationals by most people in this country. Would I give you a bowl of soup? Yes, I would. I believe it neighbourly and he right thing to do as I believe in a civic mentality. I am sorry your host nation has not made you feel as welcome as you make out. That is a problem for all of us, left and right, although I am sure it is the rights fault from the moral majority on here.
My guess is that it has more to do with 'big cities' than countries - people are generally supportive but large urban areas, with transient, anonymous populations are much harder to integrate into, wherever or whoever you are. My experience stems from almost 20 years of living and working in central & eastern Europe so you can certainly say that I have a perspective which is different to most, but that experience tells me that - most people are decent The UK has every right to reject the EU but my concern is that it should do so from an informed position of the full consequences.
I don't disagree with much of your thoughts. I would add the following that Britons have not had the luxury of debate about how we want our country for nearly forty years. What politicans forget is that by its nature, the UK and London will be susceptible to changes that the rest of Europe, and most World cities with the exception of Singapore, Hong Kong, the Arab capitals and possibly Sydney, are undergoing, without consultation of its born inhabitants. Should you challenge this pervading acceptance, you are a reactionary racist. Seemingly. Should you want to have a debate about future direction and how you want the landscape to look like, you are holding up the inevitable progress and economic future the riches unlimited immigration will bring. Without understanding or debating the social implications or the change in lifestyle a wholly new community of hashed together immigrants, whether from other parts of the UK or abroad, will bring to your community. This sucks. And needs addressing by others than those who live in the Westminister bubble, who do not have to live with its consequences on a daily basis or wish to make sense of it.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Stirlingsays 19 May 14 11.19pm |
 |
|---|---|
|
Quote SloveniaDave at 19 May 2014 10.24pm
Maybe you should disavow what you evidently depreciate.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 19 May 14 11.24pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Quote Stirlingsays at 19 May 2014 11.19pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 19 May 2014 10.24pm
Maybe you should disavow what you evidently depreciate. Shame you had to interrupt a reasonable discussion with a stupid comment like that, but never mind. For the record, I don't disavow and I don't depreciate and you have no basis for suggesting that. I really think you should expand your horizons a little, and then you would be more capable of contributing to a sensible debate.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 19 May 14 11.33pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Quote matt_himself at 19 May 2014 11.19pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 19 May 2014 11.05pm
Quote matt_himself at 19 May 2014 10.51pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 19 May 2014 10.42pm
Quote matt_himself at 19 May 2014 10.34pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 19 May 2014 10.24pm
Quote matt_himself at 19 May 2014 10.21pm
Quote kevpofcpfc at 19 May 2014 7.08pm
I await with interest.
However intrigued as you know how this is better than the average London Street. Please expand.
But by definition, I am a foreigner where I live so my experience is not typical. In your previous post, you referred to a 'group' rather than a family, but isn't that a bit like living next to a student house in the UK? I don't see the Romanian group, or the Poles or the Brits as any better or worse. We all have problems with Roma (as opposed to Romanians) now, wherever we live and that is another issue entirely, but if I was desperate for a bowl of soup, I think I would be a lot more comfortable going to a Romanian neighbour than an English one.
You are right to say that your experience is different and not what others may view it as. Would it be like a student house? Yes, I guess, but as most students are middle class in this country the response to their anti social behaviours would be dealt with differently than to a group of non British nationals by most people in this country. Would I give you a bowl of soup? Yes, I would. I believe it neighbourly and he right thing to do as I believe in a civic mentality. I am sorry your host nation has not made you feel as welcome as you make out. That is a problem for all of us, left and right, although I am sure it is the rights fault from the moral majority on here.
My guess is that it has more to do with 'big cities' than countries - people are generally supportive but large urban areas, with transient, anonymous populations are much harder to integrate into, wherever or whoever you are. My experience stems from almost 20 years of living and working in central & eastern Europe so you can certainly say that I have a perspective which is different to most, but that experience tells me that - most people are decent The UK has every right to reject the EU but my concern is that it should do so from an informed position of the full consequences.
I don't disagree with much of your thoughts. I would add the following that Britons have not had the luxury of debate about how we want our country for nearly forty years. What politicans forget is that by its nature, the UK and London will be susceptible to changes that the rest of Europe, and most World cities with the exception of Singapore, Hong Kong, the Arab capitals and possibly Sydney, are undergoing, without consultation of its born inhabitants. Should you challenge this pervading acceptance, you are a reactionary racist. Seemingly. Should you want to have a debate about future direction and how you want the landscape to look like, you are holding up the inevitable progress and economic future the riches unlimited immigration will bring. Without understanding or debating the social implications or the change in lifestyle a wholly new community of hashed together immigrants, whether from other parts of the UK or abroad, will bring to your community. This sucks. And needs addressing by others than those who live in the Westminister bubble, who do not have to live with its consequences on a daily basis or wish to make sense of it.
But the serious debate has been ignored for too long or has been masked in a different guise. I do not have an issue with Powell, in terms of his being brave enough to address a real problem and it is a shame there were and are not more honest politicians like him nowadays. There is no simple answer, but my hope is that the debate will at least be informed, not done through headlines in the Sun and the Daily Mail.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Seth  On a pale blue dot 20 May 14 1.24am |
|
|---|---|
|
Quote SloveniaDave at 19 May 2014 10.24pm
Fine by me. I have Albanians on one side and Palestinians on the other. Both great, and much more friendly than the average London street.
"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down" |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| matt_himself Matataland 20 May 14 9.03am |
|
|---|---|
|
The Greens were giving out flyers at South Croydon this morning. A large number of these flyers ended up on the platform, causing littering and constituting a waste of resources. Talk about hypocrisy.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Pinky Kent 20 May 14 9.50am |
|
|---|---|
|
Hippie-crits! They're probably biodegradable. Or Big Society volunteers will tidy them up.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Penge Eagle Beckenham 20 May 14 10.03am |
|
|---|---|
|
The smears against Nigel Farage and Ukip have reached spectacular depths. [Link] Some interesting points in the Spectator about the Tory PR machine feeding the press and also some newspapers' wanting to create nazis as it makes better headlines. Edited by Penge Eagle (20 May 2014 10.03am)
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post | Board Moderator |
|
| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 May 14 10.44am |
|
|---|---|
|
On ITV News last night there was a middle aged 18 stone man with his wife who stopped to talk to Nigel Farage in front of the cameras. Shame that NF (only just noticed these initials) asked him who he supported. "Millwall, and....UKIP." Oh dear. A few brief words were exchanged, then the reporter mentioned the shared mantra of 'No one likes us, we don't care.' I don't know what is more of a concern. 1. UKIP being likened to 'The Millwall of politics.' (There's a radio DJ on Absolute Radio who goes by this mantra as well so maybe not so bad. 2. The retired gent admitting he's Millwall. 3. The retired gent admitting he's Millwall when he's all for UKIP and not realising the negative attachment. 4. He can't hold his 2/3 swift lunch in sun beers with wife to keep his mouf shut and not make above mistake. 5. He opened the chat with a 'Nigel.' A 'Palace Nigel' as well. 6. Being seen on national TV supporting a 'Palace Nigel.' EDIT: It was BBC News. Farage was asked about it and said something like, "Perhaps we are the Millwall of politics. Loathed and feared in Westminster." The bloke was a t1t for saying it. Typical loud mouthed gob. Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 May 2014 10.51am)
COYP |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Login / RegisterNew users
Registration is now on our new message board
Existing users
To login with your existing username you will need to convert your account over to the new message board.
Sponsors
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2024 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.