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 Tim Gypsy Hill '64  Stoke sub normal 31 Oct 20 11.25pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
It won’t which is why a lot, minus about 4 or 5 posters on here think it is the wrong way to go and not the wrong way because it might save a few lives, but the wrong way because of the lives that will be lost to other medical issues, to the mental issues caused and to the destruction of hundreds of businesses and thousands of livelihoods. This is like being in a war and in a war there are casualties. Do we sacrifice a few for the many or do we just try and protect everyone and accept we are going to lose the war? This is the most sane post on this entire thread.
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 31 Oct 20 11.29pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
This is the route you need to take. Wear a mask, wash your hands & have a few restrictions on the amount of people you can have say in a store Etc. No. The real issue is there are too many self centred/entitled morons. The contradictions are real but I don’t see how you create a scenario where there are none, and no one complains about anything. Armchair solutions are just that. You completely bypass the obvious problem which is people in this country have been given a shot at sensible personal management of this with the benefit of less restrictions. They have failed spectacularly, and now they must pay the price. Other countries have managed it for various reasons, in some cases cultural ones. Also Just saying ‘this is the route you / we need to take’ doesn’t solve anything. People won’t comply And your last point - yeah sure. Tough tits. That’s life, stop bleating and get on with it. Not everyone gets saved here, the sooner people come to terms with that fact the better.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 Oct 20 11.38pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
This is the most sane post on this entire thread. We’d be screwed if there was a combat war or even one that required people to muck in for some reason here, and with any risk l, forget it. Edited by Rudi Hedman (31 Oct 2020 11.39pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 31 Oct 20 11.40pm |
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I do believe someone on here said the average age of Covid deaths is 82 and normal average age at death 81. People are simply dying roughly when it was due As usual this is misinformation. The modal age of death in the UK is 86 for men and 89 for women. Heck they are only losing between 4 and 7 years in most cases. Don’t know what all the fuss is about. And only one in 20 people that catch Covid go on to develop long Covid, I am sure we can all live with that. Let’s all get on and find a student to hug, the sooner we catch it the sooner we find out how we will be affected in this modern version of Russian Roulette
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 Oct 20 11.43pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
No. The real issue is there are too many self centred/entitled morons. The contradictions are real but I don’t see how you create a scenario where there are none, and no one complains about anything. Armchair solutions are just that. You completely bypass the obvious problem which is people in this country have been given a shot at sensible personal management of this with the benefit of less restrictions. They have failed spectacularly, and now they must pay the price. Other countries have managed it for various reasons, in some cases cultural ones. Also Just saying ‘this is the route you / we need to take’ doesn’t solve anything. People won’t comply And your last point - yeah sure. Tough tits. That’s life, stop bleating and get on with it. Not everyone gets saved here, the sooner people come to terms with that fact the better. The problem there is a national lockdown punishes areas without issues you can select off the lockdown reasons. And besides, plenty of countries are doing this and doing this because it’s politically safer to do so. Covid deaths are more important in politics.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 31 Oct 20 11.43pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
This is the most sane post on this entire thread. Firstly, a little hyperbolic. Secondly, no, no it’s not. More suffering related to It’s a complete fallacy to claim less people with ‘other’ medical needs will suffer if we don’t lockdown, as that road leads to maximum nhs capacity, triaging of patients and therefore even worse issues than we have now regarding things like delayed surgeries, cancer patients being denied or postponed care. You’d potentially get to a point where the only route to guarantee consultation would be through private healthcare for even routine medical issues. But sure, crack on with that thought
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 31 Oct 20 11.48pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The problem there is a national lockdown punishes areas without issues you can select off the lockdown reasons. And besides, plenty of countries are doing this and doing this because it’s politically safer to do so. Covid deaths are more important in politics. Broadly agree. And I assume that is why areas will be monitored and phased out of this as and when they are deemed under control. Maybe it is simply too hard logistically for the government to effectively manage so many areas at once. Deaths are certainly more important politically and to the media, but as we know they’re a red herring. But moths and magpies get distracted easily by bright shiny things so what can you do.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 Oct 20 11.52pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I do believe someone on here said the average age of Covid deaths is 82 and normal average age at death 81. People are simply dying roughly when it was due As usual this is misinformation. The modal age of death in the UK is 86 for men and 89 for women. Heck they are only losing between 4 and 7 years in most cases. Don’t know what all the fuss is about. And only one in 20 people that catch Covid go on to develop long Covid, I am sure we can all live with that. Let’s all get on and find a student to hug, the sooner we catch it the sooner we find out how we will be affected in this modern version of Russian Roulette Not sure if this is serious or not. There’s no reason to be hugging anyone unless you live with them. I’ve never understood this, although I get people who live alone probably feel they better after they get a hug. But actually it’ll make you a tougher person without being mollycoddled. Trouble is that young people can be very fragile turning into real adulthood and not the 18 adulthood. Read some nasty people saying things about depressed students and worse. When they use war as an example they forget there’s camaraderie in army platoons whereas in an empty room alone for the first time the human brain can become unbalanced.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 31 Oct 20 11.55pm |
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This virus is here to stay. It generally kills people past their life expectancy, or with existing underlying isses. There are a few cases of "long covid", much like chronic fatigue syndrome (yuppie flu). This whole issue is now, sadly, beyond debate. Much like religion, there are people who believe what they are told (I won't name you all, but you know who you are), and there are people who question what they are told. No opinions will be swayed one way or the other. But the questions go unanswered. And the same message is repeated. "Have faith, the Messiah (vaccine) will present himself" We need to get back to having a life to live. Like "choose life", not sit and watch your life disappear during lockdown. My hope is that in the final analysis, apologies are made. I don't expect it will happen.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 31 Oct 20 11.59pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I do believe someone on here said the average age of Covid deaths is 82 and normal average age at death 81. People are simply dying roughly when it was due As usual this is misinformation. The modal age of death in the UK is 86 for men and 89 for women. Heck they are only losing between 4 and 7 years in most cases. Don’t know what all the fuss is about. And only one in 20 people that catch Covid go on to develop long Covid, I am sure we can all live with that. Let’s all get on and find a student to hug, the sooner we catch it the sooner we find out how we will be affected in this modern version of Russian Roulette That was me. Show me the real information about average age deaths. And even if you are correct, why should the rest of the population suffer this nonsense to give the, let's say, less than active, 5 or 6 more years of needing care whilst they lose their prime years? Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (01 Nov 2020 12.14am)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 01 Nov 20 12.01am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Firstly, a little hyperbolic. Secondly, no, no it’s not. More suffering related to It’s a complete fallacy to claim less people with ‘other’ medical needs will suffer if we don’t lockdown, as that road leads to maximum nhs capacity, triaging of patients and therefore even worse issues than we have now regarding things like delayed surgeries, cancer patients being denied or postponed care. You’d potentially get to a point where the only route to guarantee consultation would be through private healthcare for even routine medical issues. But sure, crack on with that thought Triage calls are falling already and I saw a chart of infections falling. Not sure of the authenticity of the Infections graph but if it is true then seeing it placed over phase 1 of Covid it looks like what the hell are they doing or, do not do this longer than a month whatever you think at that stage. I will be concerned because they’re more than capable of extending it even if the reduction in infections or positive tests falls quite a bit.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 01 Nov 20 12.08am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
This virus is here to stay. It generally kills people past their life expectancy, or with existing underlying isses. There are a few cases of "long covid", much like chronic fatigue syndrome (yuppie flu). This whole issue is now, sadly, beyond debate. Much like religion, there are people who believe what they are told (I won't name you all, but you know who you are), and there are people who question what they are told. No opinions will be swayed one way or the other. But the questions go unanswered. And the same message is repeated. "Have faith, the Messiah (vaccine) will present himself" We need to get back to having a life to live. Like "choose life", not sit and watch your life disappear during lockdown. My hope is that in the final analysis, apologies are made. I don't expect it will happen. We will. I believe 2021 will be the recovery, 2022 the start of normality. Psychologically it will take years to get over, especially during winter and flu season. The vaccine is not a messiah by any means, and anyone who thinks so is overstating. Equally not everything the government is doing is turning out to be ‘right’, not by a long shot, but not all of it is wrong. You are also correct that you should always question everything. However what that doesn’t mean is assume absolutely everything you’re told is a lie, which is the sometimes religious level modus operandi of a select few on this thread. Question, interrogate, research, probe, but f*** me, do try and be as objective as you can. I’ve always chuckled at the irony of the favoured sheeple insult. It’s an absolute corker
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