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jamiemartin721  Reading 19 Jun 17 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So you think that most people, including you it appears, blame the Tories for Islamist terrorism but I'm the one doing the conflating? BTW, the Tories have a 50 plus seat majority, just in case you had forgotten. Then they should try to form a government with that 50 seat plus majority. They'd be wrong, the Conservatives weren't in power when the UK effectively stepped into the conflict by engaging in Afghanistan (to a very lesser extent) and Iraq. The truly tragic thing about democracy in the UK, is that we have to have a 'Majority government' because we cannot rely on MPs from different parties to work together and compromise towards a solution.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Jun 17 4.26pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Surely Manchester and London Bridge were Fascist acts too. Technically I think most Islamist groups are classed as ultra-conservative, rather than fascist. Although its a moot point of difference. The Iran Government aren't technically Fascist, but ultra-conservative.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 19 Jun 17 4.29pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Technically I think most Islamist groups are classed as ultra-conservative, rather than fascist. Although its a moot point of difference. The Iran Government aren't technically Fascist, but ultra-conservative. What's the difference?
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 19 Jun 17 5.03pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
What's the difference? You can always rely on Jamie to call a spade 'an earth-inverting implement'.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Jun 17 5.12pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
What's the difference? At a rough guess I would say the concept of nationalism, and the ideal of the national good. Fascism also really has a tendency to be anti-religious - hence the reason why the Falangists in Spain were distinct from, but allied to the Spainish Fascist political parties. Obviously, Islamists aren't anti-religious. Also finally whilst Fascist traditionally idealise the past, they tend to see themselves as revivalist, where as some Islamist groups almost literally see themselves as recreating a return to the past - rather than incorporating it. Italian Fascism and National Socialism adopted classical elements of national culture including Greek, Roman and paganism. Ultra-Conservatives would reject those influences (well unless they were ultra-conservative pagans I guess).
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Jun 17 5.14pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
You can always rely on Jamie to call a spade 'an earth-inverting implement'. I prefer 'manually powered, digging device' as earth inverting is too specific, and would preclude sand. Its also known as a pikey's maul.
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| .TUX. 19 Jun 17 5.44pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
The reason the ECB is using QE is to keep the Euro from appreciating even more as that would hurt exports from the Eurozone. The reason the Euro has remained strong is because of huge inward investment by external business. This is the exact opposite to what has happened in the UK since last year where inward investment has virtually dried up on a relative scale. That's why GBP has plummeted - no one wants to invest in an economy that is unsure of where it's going since voting to leave the EU. So, with regards to the EU being a busted flush, that's only what people like yourself actually wish. In reality looking at economies and currencies the reality is that the UK is currently on that road to being a 'busted flush' as you put it. Regarding the UK being 'better out than in', how can you come to that conclusion when negotiations with the EU haven't even started yet? You will only be able to judge the impact of leaving when those negotiations have concluded, not anytime before that. Edited by europalace (19 Jun 2017 7.11am) Sorry, but i stopped reading after this.
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 europalace  Europe 19 Jun 17 5.46pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Sorry, but i stopped reading after this. yeah, I thought that the term QE might be a bit difficult for you to understand, sorry.
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| .TUX. 19 Jun 17 5.55pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
yeah, I thought that the term QE might be a bit difficult for you to understand, sorry. Quiet 'europalace'? Edited by .TUX. (19 Jun 2017 5.55pm)
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| wordup 19 Jun 17 6.51pm |
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My money is on a hard boiled or a scrambled brexit.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 19 Jun 17 7.14pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
yeah, I thought that the term QE might be a bit difficult for you to understand, sorry. Not at all but you seem to have trouble with messages and answering them as you are only proving what I said about you being a keyboard warrior. Get a grip and answer my messages!
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 19 Jun 17 8.39pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
At a rough guess I would say the concept of nationalism, and the ideal of the national good. Fascism also really has a tendency to be anti-religious - hence the reason why the Falangists in Spain were distinct from, but allied to the Spainish Fascist political parties. Obviously, Islamists aren't anti-religious. Also finally whilst Fascist traditionally idealise the past, they tend to see themselves as revivalist, where as some Islamist groups almost literally see themselves as recreating a return to the past - rather than incorporating it. Italian Fascism and National Socialism adopted classical elements of national culture including Greek, Roman and paganism. Ultra-Conservatives would reject those influences (well unless they were ultra-conservative pagans I guess). Can't say I recognise the UK far right parties in this. The Liberals seems to be the anti-religion party at the moment - well anti-Christian at any rate.
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