I am not ignoring migration that went the other way! It’s just not relevant to this. It could easily be that some went out and their offspring came back. It still happens .

I have no problem at all with anyone considering themselves however they wish. That’s their business, although in other contexts some here take a diametrically opposite view.

That’s different to arguing that genetics prove the argument. That’s an argument for the exclusion of others. Others who also have the right to consider themselves however they wish, with everyone who meets the legal threshold having a legal right to be treated equally.

We don’t have a unique genetic make up. We are a hotchpotch with nothing that is uniquely ours. It’s simply untrue. That we are an island might once have presented bigger challenges than land borders do but that is neither unique nor insurmountable. It was overcome many times. If getting here was hard, going back was equally as hard!

The thing that defines us as being anything is culture. Culture is acquired and not inbred.

I am culturally English. I am legally British. I am emotionally more aware these days of other cultures than I was as a child because, unlike my parents, I have been exposed to them.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Can we get back to US politics please.

One more point

This is the wrong thread for this, but you don't call a European born in China, Chinese.
White South Africans are treated with disdain and are never accepted as proper Africans. Native Americans, despite obviously coming from Asia originally, can claim America as their own, stolen from them by the White man, and yet, people like you think that we English have no right to claim our heritage and nationality as our own or preserve it.

You might want to be a citizen (drone) of the world, but some of us like who we actually are.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Jun 2024 10.03am)

He can't find the on switch.

Red and Blue Army!

Of course you can claim and own your heritage, just as the native Americans can theirs. What you can’t do is lay claim to it exclusively. Others can share it, if they want to and are entitled to. Just as other American citizens do in the USA. There’s nothing genetically unique about us that allows such an idea to be correct.

No one stops you from believing whatever you like. Beliefs are free and personal. Only actions are subject to restrictions.

Perhaps you, and those others who take a similar line, could answer 2 questions.

One of my grandmothers was French. Does that mean that, in your eyes, I am not English?

My wife has colleagues at the hospital who are married, have made their home here and have 2 children. He was born in Italy and remains an Italian citizen, entitled to stay here under the post Brexit arrangements. She was born in the Philippines, but has acquired British citizenship, whilst retaining her original too. So a dual national. The children were both born here, only have British passports, only have English friends, go to a local school, watch British TV, play rugby and cricket and support English teams. Are they English? If not, what do you think they are?

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Where would like me to post it?

Or don’t you have an answer?

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