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cryrst The garden of England 13 Jun 24 7.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
I have attached a jpeg of the area where 99% of migration has occurred, add the Franks/Frisians & until recently that's about it for the past 100,000 years. Were not an Island of Immigrants and never have been. Edited by Ouzo Dan (13 Jun 2024 7.12pm) It’s getting there !
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Ouzo Dan Behind you 13 Jun 24 7.24pm | |
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Invading ethnic groups kept themselves to themselves, they were only interested in cities and areas of commerce, the countryside which at the time made up the majority of the population was largely left alone, this applies from the romans onwards. I mean we see the same today with migrants largely centred around cities and not in the countryside.
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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jun 24 8.54pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
It’s getting there ! That is the point. Wisbech knows all this full well. He is not interested in truth, only contradicting people on the political right. I'm not sure what this has to do with US politics, except for the fact that the American population is rapidly turning Hispanic. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Jun 2024 8.55pm)
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Ouzo Dan Behind you 13 Jun 24 9.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That is the point. Wisbech knows all this full well. He is not interested in truth, only contradicting people on the political right. I'm not sure what this has to do with US politics, except for the fact that the American population is rapidly turning Hispanic. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Jun 2024 8.55pm) I know he does & honestly I see him as nothing more than our own digital Steve Bray.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 24 10.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So you are saying that because ethnicity estimates are not 100% guaranteed accurate that the whole science of genetics is wrong and you are right? It's pointless arguing with bonkers. In my case, where I'm certain I know where my family comes from, it matches up perfectly with the regions suggested by my DNA. Whole studies have been done to pin down people's origins. It's not all just about personal family searches. Your attitude is that of someone who rejects national borders and the importance of identity and culture. It smacks of global governments and homogenised population, all there just to be drones and consumers. No historical heritage, no national pride, no reason to believe in or care about much of anything. How dismal. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Jun 2024 7.14pm) What I have said is that being English is a cultural issue. It’s how you feel, not what your genes are. The genes have always been changing as a consequence of migration for one reason and another. They still are, probably at a much faster rate than in the past. That you can trace your own genes to certain regions is completely irrelevant. The genes there have been changing just as much as any others. They still are. You cannot freeze something like this and declare that what exists now is the standard for all time as the test for being English. If Queen Boudicca had done that none of us would now be English. It has nothing at all to do with treasuring our heritage, traditions or culture. All of these things can be proudly acquired just as strongly as being born into. Sometimes even more strongly as some born here take them for granted. So I reject with distain your ideas about what being English means. I think it’s incorrect, divisive and dangerous. A true Englishman is open minded and welcoming to everyone who shares our values.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 24 10.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
I have attached a jpeg of the area where 99% of migration has occurred, add the Franks/Frisians & until recently that's about it for the past 100,000 years. Were not an Island of Immigrants and never have been. Edited by Ouzo Dan (13 Jun 2024 7.12pm) What on earth do you think that map indicates other than where most of the historical migration came from? It was still migration. The incomers were not English. They were Europeans who became English. Does being European not count as a migrant in your mind?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 24 10.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
Invading ethnic groups kept themselves to themselves, they were only interested in cities and areas of commerce, the countryside which at the time made up the majority of the population was largely left alone, this applies from the romans onwards. I mean we see the same today with migrants largely centred around cities and not in the countryside. To start with that’s probably true but over generations and centuries it isn’t. We are in the first stage with many of the recent migrants but you can already observe the changes to the migrants who arrived during and immediately after WW2. It all spreads out in time. Children have children and culture takes over.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 24 10.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That is the point. Wisbech knows all this full well. He is not interested in truth, only contradicting people on the political right. I'm not sure what this has to do with US politics, except for the fact that the American population is rapidly turning Hispanic. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Jun 2024 8.55pm) It doesn’t but the USA could provide a relevant comparison. Who is an American? Every citizen? Or only the “native” Americans? With everyone else still being English, Spanish, Irish, German, etc. What about all the descendants of those taken there in chains? Are they not Americans either? Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Jun 2024 8.06am)
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 13 Jun 24 10.31pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
That is very disingenuous. I am happy and proud to be English. The fact that some are dicks isn’t my problem. I’ve lost track of this discussion (British as opposed to English)…but isn’t Charles III King of England….
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Ouzo Dan Behind you 13 Jun 24 11.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What on earth do you think that map indicates other than where most of the historical migration came from? It shows an impossibly small part of Europe that in some places is only 20 miles apart have a common ancestor. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It was still migration. The incomers were not English. They were Europeans who became English. Does being European not count as a migrant in your mind? They were Celts or older, they shared a cultural (Oooh I said it) and ethnic background. I have already explained the genetic (not cultural) link to England's past reaching back tens of thousands of years & why the English have every right to be considered ethnic English. Consider for one second the native England islanders over time colonised the invaders and not the other way round, certainly our unique genetic make up (luxury of being an Island surrounded by difficult oceans to cross) means genetic mutations exclusive to this Island will happen. anyway I refuse to go round in circles, you have offered nothing but cyclical arguments. Edited by Ouzo Dan (13 Jun 2024 11.55pm)
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Houston Eagle Houston 14 Jun 24 12.03am | |
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I was born in surrey and consider myself English but happy to be called British. Obtained dual US citizenship about 7 years ago and will probably live here for the rest of my life! Still English, still Palace but happy to live the American life and respect there lifestyle and culture! I never felt a lot of difference under the Obama years but holy cow Joe is a joke!! I’ll suck it up whatever the outcome in November but pray common sense prevails here!
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Stirlingsays 14 Jun 24 3.15am | |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
I know he does & honestly I see him as nothing more than our own digital Steve Bray. He isn't English, he just has the passport.
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