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monkey Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 09 Jul 23 6.31pm
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt There is no shortage of posts on this and many other threads saying we'd be better off without Zaha, time to move on, not worth the money/hassle etc. Just scroll up. The club is bigger than any player, yes, but the club is also only as good as its players. If it were simple, or even possible, to replace Zaha with someone as good or better then the club could set him a deadline, but it's not. Whether we like it or not, Zaha holds all the cards. We need him more than he needs us. Exactly this!! We might not need him as much as we used too, but for what he’s given us over the years and being arguably our best ever player I think he deserves the time. I know I joke about him deciding who’s going to fill his bank account next, but you’re a long time retired and at his age, he must be thinking about possibly being able to win something as well.
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Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 09 Jul 23 6.31pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

There is no shortage of posts on this and many other threads saying we'd be better off without Zaha, time to move on, not worth the money/hassle etc. Just scroll up.

The club is bigger than any player, yes, but the club is also only as good as its players. If it were simple, or even possible, to replace Zaha with someone as good or better then the club could set him a deadline, but it's not.

Whether we like it or not, Zaha holds all the cards. We need him more than he needs us.

Exactly this!! We might not need him as much as we used too, but for what he’s given us over the years and being arguably our best ever player I think he deserves the time.

I know I joke about him deciding who’s going to fill his bank account next, but you’re a long time retired and at his age, he must be thinking about possibly being able to win something as well.

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Putitout Oxford 09 Jul 23 6.34pm
My feeling is we are for the time being better with Wilf, than without, he is a better than average player no doubt that speaks for its self. Having said that we have to believe firstly that the team can progress with or without him. We have to believe the club will find ways of play, and players to complement the very real talents that already make up the rest of the team. It’s not a case of wishing him gone , it’s more a case of hurry up Wilf, because we need to get on ,and we can do so with or without you. I
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Oxford 09 Jul 23 6.34pm

My feeling is we are for the time being better with Wilf, than without, he is a better than average player no doubt that speaks for its self.
Having said that we have to believe firstly that the team can progress with or without him. We have to believe the club will find ways of play, and players to complement the very real talents that already make up the rest of the team.
It’s not a case of wishing him gone , it’s more a case of hurry up Wilf, because we need to get on ,and we can do so with or without you. I

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TheBigToePunt 09 Jul 23 6.42pm
Originally posted by monkey Exactly this!! We might not need him as much as we used too, but for what he’s given us over the years and being arguably our best ever player I think he deserves the time. I know I joke about him deciding who’s going to fill his bank account next, but you’re a long time retired and at his age, he must be thinking about possibly being able to win something as well. Yep, and the club has known for years that he'd be facing this massive decision and that he will assess every option. The only decision Palace have had to make is whether they are prepared to be one of the options Zaha has, or not. They have, quite rightly, decided to be. Now they wait, like they knew they would have to.
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09 Jul 23 6.42pm

Originally posted by monkey

Exactly this!! We might not need him as much as we used too, but for what he’s given us over the years and being arguably our best ever player I think he deserves the time.

I know I joke about him deciding who’s going to fill his bank account next, but you’re a long time retired and at his age, he must be thinking about possibly being able to win something as well.

Yep, and the club has known for years that he'd be facing this massive decision and that he will assess every option.

The only decision Palace have had to make is whether they are prepared to be one of the options Zaha has, or not. They have, quite rightly, decided to be. Now they wait, like they knew they would have to.

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TheBigToePunt 09 Jul 23 6.45pm
Originally posted by Putitout My feeling is we are for the time being better with Wilf, than without, he is a better than average player no doubt that speaks for its self. Having said that we have to believe firstly that the team can progress with or without him. We have to believe the club will find ways of play, and players to complement the very real talents that already make up the rest of the team. It’s not a case of wishing him gone , it’s more a case of hurry up Wilf, because we need to get on ,and we can do so with or without you. I We'd have to wait for any new signings (including a replacement for Wilf) to assess their options too. This is no different.
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09 Jul 23 6.45pm

Originally posted by Putitout

We'd have to wait for any new signings (including a replacement for Wilf) to assess their options too. This is no different.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 09 Jul 23 7.02pm
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt The definition of chopping your nose off to spite your face. Zaha, for all his faults, is irreplaceable. The club plainly feel he is critical to the teams fortunes to have offered the contract they have, so why would they then set an artificial deadline for a player who, firstly, has done more than any other to make the club successful, secondly is virtually impossible to replace, and thirdly, the club really want to keep? All this bollocks on here about getting rid of Zaha like he's a problem just baffles me. The question is not whether Zaha has faults as a player, the question is how many clubs our size get to have a player that good? Not many. Zaha couldn't have been more transparent about what a huge decision he has to make this summer, the club have known for years that he'd be weighing up his options this summer, and quite right too. 'Sign by Friday Wilf, or else!' Or else what? We'll sign Demari f***ing Gray?! Couldn’t disagree more ! Zaha could keep this going indefinitely and then go elsewhere and we are disadvantaged into a last minute signing at a potentially higher price. And don’t give me that Demari Gray BS , I don’t rate him any more than you do Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 09 Jul 23 7.02pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

The definition of chopping your nose off to spite your face.

Zaha, for all his faults, is irreplaceable. The club plainly feel he is critical to the teams fortunes to have offered the contract they have, so why would they then set an artificial deadline for a player who, firstly, has done more than any other to make the club successful, secondly is virtually impossible to replace, and thirdly, the club really want to keep?

All this bollocks on here about getting rid of Zaha like he's a problem just baffles me. The question is not whether Zaha has faults as a player, the question is how many clubs our size get to have a player that good? Not many.

Zaha couldn't have been more transparent about what a huge decision he has to make this summer, the club have known for years that he'd be weighing up his options this summer, and quite right too.

'Sign by Friday Wilf, or else!'

Or else what? We'll sign Demari f***ing Gray?!

Couldn’t disagree more !

Zaha could keep this going indefinitely and then go elsewhere and we are disadvantaged into a last minute signing at a potentially higher price.

And don’t give me that Demari Gray BS , I don’t rate him any more than you do

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TheBigToePunt 09 Jul 23 7.05pm
Originally posted by NEILLO Couldn’t disagree more ! Zaha could keep this going indefinitely and then go elsewhere and we are disadvantaged into a last minute signing at a potentially higher price. And don’t give me that Demari Gray BS , I don’t rate him any more than you do But you do appreciate that is the level of player we can generally afford? If we lose Zaha we won't be replacing him with a player anything like as good.
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09 Jul 23 7.05pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Couldn’t disagree more !

Zaha could keep this going indefinitely and then go elsewhere and we are disadvantaged into a last minute signing at a potentially higher price.

And don’t give me that Demari Gray BS , I don’t rate him any more than you do

But you do appreciate that is the level of player we can generally afford? If we lose Zaha we won't be replacing him with a player anything like as good.

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Davepalace707 Northumberland 09 Jul 23 7.20pm
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt But you do appreciate that is the level of player we can generally afford? If we lose Zaha we won't be replacing him with a player anything like as good. Exactly. A reminder that Edouard cost £14m gets paid £100k a week and scored 5 goals last season.
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Davepalace707

Northumberland 09 Jul 23 7.20pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

But you do appreciate that is the level of player we can generally afford? If we lose Zaha we won't be replacing him with a player anything like as good.

Exactly. A reminder that Edouard cost £14m gets paid £100k a week and scored 5 goals last season.

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Putitout Oxford 09 Jul 23 7.40pm
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt We'd have to wait for any new signings (including a replacement for Wilf) to assess their options too. This is no different. Fair enough, treat Wilf as if he is just another signing, just as long as first of all the club have a very strong alternative in place , which may involve more than one signing and different way of playing, and a cut off to accommodate the other options because the position is vacant as of July 1st . We can go into the season short of the option of another wide left, we have done it often enough, with some success more recently. But it’s not ideal for making a good start to the season, and a lot of punters feel it’s not warranted . Wilf, can take as long as he likes , after all the club successfully blocked the move he wanted a couple of years back, some just think Palace should have their own agenda, not just Wilfs, one that doesn’t go all the way to the end of this window.
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Putitout

Oxford 09 Jul 23 7.40pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

We'd have to wait for any new signings (including a replacement for Wilf) to assess their options too. This is no different.

Fair enough, treat Wilf as if he is just another signing, just as long as first of all the club have a very strong alternative in place , which may involve more than one signing and different way of playing, and a cut off to accommodate the other options because the position is vacant as of July 1st .
We can go into the season short of the option of another wide left, we have done it often enough, with some success more recently. But it’s not ideal for making a good start to the season, and a lot of punters feel it’s not warranted .
Wilf, can take as long as he likes , after all the club successfully blocked the move he wanted a couple of years back, some just think Palace should have their own agenda, not just Wilfs, one that doesn’t go all the way to the end of this window.

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TheBigToePunt 09 Jul 23 7.43pm
Originally posted by Davepalace707 Exactly. A reminder that Edouard cost £14m gets paid £100k a week and scored 5 goals last season. Let's say Zaha has been offered £175k pw. It might be more, but not much. That's about £27m we'll spend over three years. If you want any kind of proven top flight pedigree then it costs around the same amount the Zaha deal is worth to buy a player for £15-20m and pay them £75k pw for three years. As you say, that's an Edouard. Or maybe a Townsend a few years ago or as I say, probably a Gray or someone now. That gives us a good yardstick of the value of keeping Zaha. For his faults, if a player like Wilf was available on a free we'd have no chance at all of affording or attracting them.
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TheBigToePunt

09 Jul 23 7.43pm

Originally posted by Davepalace707

Exactly. A reminder that Edouard cost £14m gets paid £100k a week and scored 5 goals last season.

Let's say Zaha has been offered £175k pw. It might be more, but not much.

That's about £27m we'll spend over three years.

If you want any kind of proven top flight pedigree then it costs around the same amount the Zaha deal is worth to buy a player for £15-20m and pay them £75k pw for three years. As you say, that's an Edouard. Or maybe a Townsend a few years ago or as I say, probably a Gray or someone now. That gives us a good yardstick of the value of keeping Zaha.

For his faults, if a player like Wilf was available on a free we'd have no chance at all of affording or attracting them.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 09 Jul 23 7.51pm
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt But you do appreciate that is the level of player we can generally afford? If we lose Zaha we won't be replacing him with a player anything like as good. I do - but the fact is that Zaha could go elsewhere at the 11th hour leaving Palace with the likes of Gray while potentially better options pass us by. I would like to see Wilf stay, don’t get me wrong , but I’m questioning the rationale of letting Palace be his choice by process of elimination - we look like being his choice of last resort Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 09 Jul 23 7.51pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

But you do appreciate that is the level of player we can generally afford? If we lose Zaha we won't be replacing him with a player anything like as good.

I do - but the fact is that Zaha could go elsewhere at the 11th hour leaving Palace with the likes of Gray while potentially better options pass us by.

I would like to see Wilf stay, don’t get me wrong , but I’m questioning the rationale of letting Palace be his choice by process of elimination - we look like being his choice of last resort

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TheBigToePunt 09 Jul 23 8.00pm
Originally posted by NEILLO I do - but the fact is that Zaha could go elsewhere at the 11th hour leaving Palace with the likes of Gray while potentially better options pass us by. I would like to see Wilf stay, don’t get me wrong , but I’m questioning the rationale of letting Palace be his choice by process of elimination - we look like being his choice of last resort Without reposting the same thing over and again, why would any other potential signings (particularly ones who are any good, and especially one comparable to Zaha) not also keep Palace waiting? That's exactly why the last day of the transfer window is so busy, everyone waits to see if they get their first choice option, then if not their second, and so on.
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09 Jul 23 8.00pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

I do - but the fact is that Zaha could go elsewhere at the 11th hour leaving Palace with the likes of Gray while potentially better options pass us by.

I would like to see Wilf stay, don’t get me wrong , but I’m questioning the rationale of letting Palace be his choice by process of elimination - we look like being his choice of last resort

Without reposting the same thing over and again, why would any other potential signings (particularly ones who are any good, and especially one comparable to Zaha) not also keep Palace waiting?

That's exactly why the last day of the transfer window is so busy, everyone waits to see if they get their first choice option, then if not their second, and so on.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 09 Jul 23 8.11pm
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt Without reposting the same thing over and again, why would any other potential signings (particularly ones who are any good, and especially one comparable to Zaha) not also keep Palace waiting? That's exactly why the last day of the transfer window is so busy, everyone waits to see if they get their first choice option, then if not their second, and so on. Well without reposting my stance on it , let’s see what happens. I’m well aware of how the transfer window works and if we wind up with Zaha leaving and us signing Demari Gray, expect to hear from me ! Edited by NEILLO (09 Jul 2023 8.11pm) Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 09 Jul 23 8.11pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Without reposting the same thing over and again, why would any other potential signings (particularly ones who are any good, and especially one comparable to Zaha) not also keep Palace waiting?

That's exactly why the last day of the transfer window is so busy, everyone waits to see if they get their first choice option, then if not their second, and so on.

Well without reposting my stance on it , let’s see what happens. I’m well aware of how the transfer window works and if we wind up with Zaha leaving and us signing Demari Gray, expect to hear from me !

Edited by NEILLO (09 Jul 2023 8.11pm)

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