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davenotamonkey 11 Oct 20 6.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Really! How do you know what Biden may object to? If you think his mental health is fine, let’s revisit this post in 6-12 months shall we? We don't have to. He's already refused to discuss the cognitive tests he hasn't had (and refuses to have). I do love this whole 25th Amendment thing. It's such a simple play from Pelosi. We all know it's really for Joe, not for Trump. They will oust him to install Harris before his feet even touch the Oval Office's carpet.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 11 Oct 20 6.34pm | |
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Idiots voting for idiots. What could be more uncomplicated ? It's called Democracy in some areas, but in others it's called Communism. Money makes the choices,.......
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matthau South Croydon 11 Oct 20 7.02pm | |
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Bidens health is not fine but isn’t half as bad as he makes out. Because he knows he has a Ukraine Guantanamo issue coming up and claiming he’s not fit for prison will save him from going gitmo
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 20 7.36pm | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
We don't have to. He's already refused to discuss the cognitive tests he hasn't had (and refuses to have). I do love this whole 25th Amendment thing. It's such a simple play from Pelosi. We all know it's really for Joe, not for Trump. They will oust him to install Harris before his feet even touch the Oval Office's carpet. n If Biden is a stalking horse, and he may well be but not immediately in my view, then there will not be any need to "oust" him. He will be party to the arrangements and will go willingly on medical grounds. I very much doubt though whether they will anything to do with his mental health. Do you really blame him for refusing to be bullied by Trump in an obvious campaign stunt, when Trump has consistently refused to release so much data about himself that other Presidents have? I have little doubt that Biden would agree to have mental health assessments made part of the routine health checks for all future Presidents, and would do so now if Trump also agreed. One of the problems with Trump has always been trust and it is no less with those who serve as his doctor as anyone else. He tried to reward his last one by giving him a big job, only to be stymied by Congress who refused to confirm him as he had no relevant experience. The current one has an aura around him which leaves a lingering aroma surrounding his pronouncements that they may be being made under pressure to window dress them. Are they truthful? The whole truth? He has admitted presenting them in a positive light already.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 20 7.37pm | |
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Originally posted by matthau
Bidens health is not fine but isn’t half as bad as he makes out. Because he knows he has a Ukraine Guantanamo issue coming up and claiming he’s not fit for prison will save him from going gitmo You've been reading conspiracy theories again haven't you?
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 11 Oct 20 8.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You can hardly make any comparisons with Hitler conning Chamberlain, let alone drawing any conclusions from it, with what I said. We have learned a lot since then. We now have many more international structures set up. The lessons of WW2 were learned. That's not to say we don't need to be vigilant, take things at face value or trust the motives of our adversaries. Nevertheless, when mutual interests demand mutual responses they will deliver better results than doing things alone. I didn't make any comparisons, I provided an example of "using diplomacy, internationally co-ordinated pressure and economic sanctions to gradually encourage the people to establish democracy for themselves" not working. Another example would be the fact that chemical weapon use was outlawed following the effects during studied during the Great War, but we see them used in Salisbury. Or the illegal testing of nuclear weapons by North Korea. Sanctions have been used against both countries, but nothing changes them. They do as they will. They just will not be "encouraged" by anyone. Thinking they can be persuaded to change their ways is, quite frankly, naive.
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matthau South Croydon 11 Oct 20 9.11pm | |
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 20 9.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
I didn't make any comparisons, I provided an example of "using diplomacy, internationally co-ordinated pressure and economic sanctions to gradually encourage the people to establish democracy for themselves" not working. Another example would be the fact that chemical weapon use was outlawed following the effects during studied during the Great War, but we see them used in Salisbury. Or the illegal testing of nuclear weapons by North Korea. Sanctions have been used against both countries, but nothing changes them. They do as they will. They just will not be "encouraged" by anyone. Thinking they can be persuaded to change their ways is, quite frankly, naive.
And your assertion that it doesn't work is simply untrue. Sanctions do work, isolated regimes buckle. Both Iran and N Korea are feeling the pressure. It won't always work, and often takes a long time, but it can and it does, especially when it's in the international community's mutual interest that it should.
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 11 Oct 20 10.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
And your assertion that it doesn't work is simply untrue. Sanctions do work, isolated regimes buckle. Both Iran and N Korea are feeling the pressure. It won't always work, and often takes a long time, but it can and it does, especially when it's in the international community's mutual interest that it should. You need to stand back from your idealistic ideas for a moment and consider what really happens in the world. They are very commendable ideas by the way, but ignore at least two basic facts of human nature. Firstly, power. Mankind has craved power over his neighbour since evolution. It has never, and will never change. The second is greed. Again, mankind has, and will continue to take more than it needs for it's individual comfort. Not to share around. There are very many people who give both wealth and benevolence freely, but that is not a natural trait. The chiefs and leaders of old held no sway. The same applies today. Jaw jaw all you want, it will change nothing.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 20 10.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
You need to stand back from your idealistic ideas for a moment and consider what really happens in the world. They are very commendable ideas by the way, but ignore at least two basic facts of human nature. Firstly, power. Mankind has craved power over his neighbour since evolution. It has never, and will never change. The second is greed. Again, mankind has, and will continue to take more than it needs for it's individual comfort. Not to share around. There are very many people who give both wealth and benevolence freely, but that is not a natural trait. The chiefs and leaders of old held no sway. The same applies today. Jaw jaw all you want, it will change nothing. There is nothing idealistic at all involved. They are entirely practical and pragmatic. The very fact that human nature has the characteristics you describe means that the need to collectively curb them exists. We all know power-hungry and greedy bullies exist and have always done so. Whilst in the past they may well have prospered, and still do in some places, that's not to say they cannot be dealt with. The only way to deal with a bully is for enough people to collectively refuse to be bullied. Your cynicism is misplaced. If it wasn't we would all be engulfed in hot wars much more frequently than we are now, and there are still far too many. Trade wars and cyber wars still hurt people but they also put pressure on governments.
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cryrst The garden of England 11 Oct 20 10.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
And your assertion that it doesn't work is simply untrue. Sanctions do work, isolated regimes buckle. Both Iran and N Korea are feeling the pressure. It won't always work, and often takes a long time, but it can and it does, especially when it's in the international community's mutual interest that it should. This being the case its trump who has calmed down the world.(apart from dem states) The very person you constantly find fault in. Peace in the middle east is growing because of trump.
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matthau South Croydon 11 Oct 20 11.31pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
This being the case its trump who has calmed down the world.(apart from dem states) The very person you constantly find fault in. Peace in the middle east is growing because of trump. Well said Attachment: 4E361872-EBB7-4AC7-B61F-5B58C5F41E98.jpeg (107.51Kb)
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