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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 21 11.46am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
She is banned because she joined a band of murderous religious nutcases who beheaded and tortured Westerners and then sent us videos of it. You actually want mercy and understanding? How much mercy would you show the Hitler youth? This girl is arrogant and corrupted. She cares not one iota for Britain or anything other than saving her own skin. She gets no second chance from me. You are doing the same as Stirling. Offering an opinion on the behaviour of the girl and not on the law involved. Which none of us are really qualified to attempt.
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Spiderman Horsham 27 Feb 21 11.53am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If we banned people just because they aren't British in YOUR eyes there would be quite a lot of people looking for new homes. There are opinions and then there is the law. This is a matter of law. Which I am not qualified to comment on and appears difficult for those that are. I do though expect that politics and pragmatism mean that eventually a way will be found for her to be returned to the UK after her being made an example to others is thought to have lasted long enough. If and when she is returned home, what would you like for her? Any form of custodial sentence or a slap on the wrist and hefty payday for the film rights?
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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Feb 21 12.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You are doing the same as Stirling. Offering an opinion on the behaviour of the girl and not on the law involved. Which none of us are really qualified to attempt. The law has decided that she cannot come back. My opinion, and I'm confident that of the vast the majority is that she is getting off lightly as it is. Sometimes the existing procedure is not fit for purpose when dealing with such exceptional occurrences. 'Justice' cannot be applied in the traditional form. There is a greater interest that has to be served.
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Spiderman Horsham 27 Feb 21 12.56pm | |
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I do believe that her Citizenship will be reinstated eventually. What happens then, is up for discussion
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jeeagles 27 Feb 21 1.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I know. As they are the final arbiter their decision stands and is respected. The point though was that the lower courts seemed to take a different view and that there isn't a clear consensus on this. That wasn't the case when Johnson decided to overstep his authority with Parliament. It was legally wrong and, so far as I recall, no authoritative legal mind disagreed. Especially in the SC who were unanimous. It was an unusual circumstance caused by very unusual events. Labour had jammed the wheels of government by refusing every single Brexit option and then refusing to go to a general election against a minority government. When the fixed term parliament act was written no one could have foreseen a circumstance when an opposition would turn down a chance of having a GE against a minority government.... despite JC calling for one every Wednesday for weeks. Whilst he did break the law in looking for a solution, every legal avenue had been blocked and no viable alternative option to get government moving had been put forward by the opposition. Labour's actions leading up to it were undemocratic. Unfortunately, the law is a blunt instrument, so Labour didn't break the law, even though there behaviour was no better. In the eyes of reasonable people, Boris came out better than Corbyn, as the election result showed. Who loses a GE to a minority government... by a landslide?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 21 1.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
If and when she is returned home, what would you like for her? Any form of custodial sentence or a slap on the wrist and hefty payday for the film rights? What I would like is a professional assessment made of her legal culpability at the time she left and her state of mind when she returned so that an informed judgement can be made as to what is appropriate both for her, public safety and as an example for others. Ensuring she is unable to profit from her experiences could well be part of that.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 21 1.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The law has decided that she cannot come back. My opinion, and I'm confident that of the vast the majority is that she is getting off lightly as it is. Sometimes the existing procedure is not fit for purpose when dealing with such exceptional occurrences. 'Justice' cannot be applied in the traditional form. There is a greater interest that has to be served. As written it has so been decided. Whether a political dispensation and an exception are made in the future remains to be seen. I would not rule that out, indeed I think it is more than likely.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 21 1.20pm | |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
It was an unusual circumstance caused by very unusual events. Labour had jammed the wheels of government by refusing every single Brexit option and then refusing to go to a general election against a minority government. When the fixed term parliament act was written no one could have foreseen a circumstance when an opposition would turn down a chance of having a GE against a minority government.... despite JC calling for one every Wednesday for weeks. Whilst he did break the law in looking for a solution, every legal avenue had been blocked and no viable alternative option to get government moving had been put forward by the opposition. Labour's actions leading up to it were undemocratic. Unfortunately, the law is a blunt instrument, so Labour didn't break the law, even though there behaviour was no better. In the eyes of reasonable people, Boris came out better than Corbyn, as the election result showed. Who loses a GE to a minority government... by a landslide? That Corbyn was primarily responsible for us stumbling over the Brexit cliff edge is undoubtedly true. He was and is, an idiot. He did not though act undemocratically. Johnson broke the law. That alone ought to have forced his resignation and an immediate GE. There rests the undemocratic behaviour. Our country will suffer for decades to come due to the stupidity and selfishness of these two men.
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dreamwaverider London 27 Feb 21 2.26pm | |
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She has lost on appeal to the Supreme Court so she is not coming back. Furthermore case law is set so it is very unlikely any other similar perpetrators will be treated differently moving forwards. Notwithstanding that, the point Matov raised was one of questioning the law and the Supreme Court’s interpretation of it as opposed to the outcome of the decision. And he makes a good point
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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 27 Feb 21 2.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If we banned people just because they aren't British in YOUR eyes there would be quite a lot of people looking for new homes. There are opinions and then there is the law. This is a matter of law. Which I am not qualified to comment on and appears difficult for those that are. I do though expect that politics and pragmatism mean that eventually a way will be found for her to be returned to the UK after her being made an example to others is thought to have lasted long enough. why do you want her returned to the UK?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 21 2.38pm | |
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Originally posted by the silurian
why do you want her returned to the UK? Where do I suggest I do? I have expressed no opinion on the matter, nor will I as I am not well enough informed and prefer to rely on those who are.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 27 Feb 21 2.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What I would like is a professional assessment made of her legal culpability at the time she left and her state of mind when she returned so that an informed judgement can be made as to what is appropriate both for her, public safety and as an example for others. Ensuring she is unable to profit from her experiences could well be part of that. The best scenario in my opinion as since we were still in the EU at the time when she meandered through various countries to join ISIS is that France, Germany Et al should give her 'citizenship' and take her sorry ass.
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