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Southern Rail Strike - right or wrong
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 gambler  Kent 07 Jan 17 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
When they work overtime the platforms are not so crowded and that is part of their contract. They are not working overtime as part of the strike. Working overtime isn't part of a drivers contract.
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| Helmet46 Croydon 07 Jan 17 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by gambler
Working overtime isn't part of a drivers contract. Ok - But it is an accepted part of their job and they are only not doing it as part of industrial action.
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| gambler Kent 07 Jan 17 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
Ok - But it is an accepted part of their job and they are only not doing it as part of industrial action. Maybe he company should look to the future and recruit loads of drivers so this can't happen again. But wait looking to the future doesn't happen in the rail franchise system. Oh well. Can't really blame the drivers for choosing not to work overtime. The company have given them that opportunity.
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| Helmet46 Croydon 07 Jan 17 2.10pm |
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Originally posted by gambler
Maybe he company should look to the future and recruit loads of drivers so this can't happen again. But wait looking to the future doesn't happen in the rail franchise system. Oh well. Can't really blame the drivers for choosing not to work overtime. The company have given them that opportunity. You can when they bleat about safety until it suits their agenda.
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| 7mins In the bush 07 Jan 17 2.12pm |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
When they work overtime the platforms are not so crowded and that is part of their contract. They are not working overtime as part of the strike. You are wrong (factually) Try again.
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| gambler Kent 07 Jan 17 2.12pm |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
You can when they bleat about safety until it suits their agenda. Nonsense. You can't blame them for safety on their days off. The company have left themselves wide open for this through their penny pinching in relying on overtime.
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| 7mins In the bush 07 Jan 17 2.14pm |
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Originally posted by gambler
Nonsense. You can't blame them for safety on their days off. The company have left themselves wide open for this through their penny pinching in relying on overtime. ^
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| Only 10 a year!! 07 Jan 17 2.15pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Just spoke to one of the managers at Southern. They plan to let the strike next week to go ahead. If cracks appear in the strike, they will offer drivers £££. If no cracks, they will talk to ASLEF. Now, I've never heard of indemnity insurance for drivers involved in trap n drag. This is either Southern protecting themselves against problems they think might arise, or something they are offering drivers to put them at ease, maybe they're worried about being sued. We are living in litigious times.
Drivers aren't happy with it, the trains Southern use have 15 year old CCTV, the cost to upgrade all Southern's trains is prohibitive, so Southern will offer to upgrade it over time, thus spreading the cost. It's not just the installation, it's a logistical nightmare and they don't have enough fitters to maintain their current stock. Can't see ASLEF agreeing to this, there is no trust there. What has always been a tricky relationship is now bordering on hatred (from both sides) DfT who have been unwavering in their support, are now starting to grow inpatient.
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| Only 10 a year!! 07 Jan 17 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
I get your points, but Southern forcing through DOO on January 1st, then admitting on Jan 4th they haven't trained drivers does lend itself to this being rushed in, in a unsafe manner. Also they insisted the CCTV was fine, but have now said they will upgrade the units with poor quality CCTV and have been unable to insure drivers at certain locations due to poor quality cctv. At these locations Southern have had to restore guards during the hours of 1630-0830. This seems to show that the drivers who said the CCTV was piss poor were right. Also Southern are losing drivers, some are taking early retirement others are going to different TOCs. Losing drivers is a financial nightmare. A fully trained driver can save Southern £50,000 a day in fines... cancelling one train costs thousands. Each minute of delay can cost £90 a min. If one train is delayed one min at Hassocks, the train behind will be delayed and the train behind that etc. A 2 min delay can cost Southern nearly 2k. This makes drivers a valuable commodity. Losing drivers will make its way to boardroom level. Could also be seen as negotiation and listening to the views of the other side.
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| Only 10 a year!! 07 Jan 17 2.18pm |
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Originally posted by gambler
Nonsense. You can't blame them for safety on their days off. The company have left themselves wide open for this through their penny pinching in relying on overtime. I bet they would soon be complaining if more drivers were taken on and the overtime they had got used to in their wage packets suddenly evaporated.
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| Helmet46 Croydon 07 Jan 17 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by gambler
Nonsense. You can't blame them for safety on their days off. The company have left themselves wide open for this through their penny pinching in relying on overtime. The only reason they are not working these days is to punish the company (and customers) as part of their industrial action. Let's not pretend otherwise. Sure the company have left themselves open to this but the drivers know the effect this will have on safety.
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| gambler Kent 07 Jan 17 2.30pm |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
The only reason they are not working these days is to punish the company (and customers) as part of their industrial action. Let's not pretend otherwise. Sure the company have left themselves open to this but the drivers know the effect this will have on safety. No I'm not pretending otherwise. Of course that's the case. I'll think we'll have to agree to differ though. In my view it's their days off. If the company don't have enough drivers then it's the company's fault. The passengers safety on the drivers days off can't possibly be their fault.
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