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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 12 Aug 15 1.41pm
Been thinking about the idea of using empty houses for migrant families, as has been suggested several times. How long would a property have to remain empty before it qualified to be seized? When I go out to work in the morning and don't come back until the evening, my house has laid empty for about 10 hours. Is that long enough? No, of course not. So what about if I go on a fortnight's holiday? Or maybe I get a year's contract working in Abu Dhabi and my house is empty for 12 months? Could it be full of migrants when I come back? Anyone care to offer their thoughts on how it might work?
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Been thinking about the idea of using empty houses for migrant families, as has been suggested several times.

How long would a property have to remain empty before it qualified to be seized?

When I go out to work in the morning and don't come back until the evening, my house has laid empty for about 10 hours. Is that long enough? No, of course not. So what about if I go on a fortnight's holiday?

Or maybe I get a year's contract working in Abu Dhabi and my house is empty for 12 months? Could it be full of migrants when I come back?

Anyone care to offer their thoughts on how it might work?

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DanH SW2 12 Aug 15 1.42pm
Quote palace_in_frogland at 12 Aug 2015 1.41pm Been thinking about the idea of using empty houses for migrant families, as has been suggested several times. How long would a property have to remain empty before it qualified to be seized? When I go out to work in the morning and don't come back until the evening, my house has laid empty for about 10 hours. Is that long enough? No, of course not. So what about if I go on a fortnight's holiday? Or maybe I get a year's contract working in Abu Dhabi and my house is empty for 12 months? Could it be full of migrants when I come back? Anyone care to offer their thoughts on how it might work? If you leave your house it's automatically fair game.
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Quote palace_in_frogland at 12 Aug 2015 1.41pm

Been thinking about the idea of using empty houses for migrant families, as has been suggested several times.

How long would a property have to remain empty before it qualified to be seized?

Or maybe I get a year's contract working in Abu Dhabi and my house is empty for 12 months? Could it be full of migrants when I come back?

Anyone care to offer their thoughts on how it might work?

If you leave your house it's automatically fair game.

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Stuk Top half 12 Aug 15 1.44pm
Quote DanH at 12 Aug 2015 1.27pm Quote Stuk at 12 Aug 2015 1.26pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Aug 2015 1.13pm Quote Stuk at 12 Aug 2015 1.00pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Aug 2015 12.52pm Quote Stuk at 12 Aug 2015 12.43pm Quote DanH at 12 Aug 2015 12.29pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Aug 2015 12.03pm Quote DanH at 12 Aug 2015 11.59am Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Aug 2015 11.57am Quote DanH at 12 Aug 2015 11.45am Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Aug 2015 11.33am Quote DanH at 12 Aug 2015 11.16am Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Aug 2015 11.06am Quote DanH at 12 Aug 2015 10.53am Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Aug 2015 10.46am Quote mezzer at 12 Aug 2015 10.41am Quote dannyh at 11 Aug 2015 1.45pm Annnnnyway. Back to the migrants in Calais; Whilst I freely admit that some of the immigrant hoard, swarm, call it what you will, are genuine cases, why did they not stop in the first safe country they came to? This question has not been answered by the left of arc. Next thing, I take it the left are not so arrogant as to believe that all are deserving cases, and that the bonhomie of benefit tourists do actually exist ? What do the left believe should be done with immigrants that rock up from countries that are not at war, not being persecuted, and just fancy some free housing and dosh ? lastly what the do the left feel about eastern European migrants who come here to work, get a E1-11 card, then jog on back to Romania have there medical treatment done over there privately costing thousands and then the NHS gets charged ? I have posed straight forward questions, that don't require long winded t*twaffle. Just questions that require an honest answer. Is mine the only computer that showed these questions? All very good ones Danny and I thought at least one of them deserved an answer. Only legaleagle answered my genuine questions about infrastructure problems. None of the others acknowledged or addressed my concerns and it will probably be the same here. The infrastructure point I guess depends on where you sit on the economic fence. Given the lack of schools, housing, hospitals etc. there's a strong economic case to argue that a massive boost in capital expenditure by the government would lead to a greater long term recovery. The current government's approach, whilst it has steadied the ship in the short term has only really papered over the cracks; a lot of the recovery has been because of the non-stop rise in house prices, fuelled by the lack of supply. All the while there's little to no investment in roads/schools/housing/hospitals then we will struggle. I know it's a common view that "there's no space" however there was a study from the Adam Smith institute recently (I'll try and find it) which estimated that about a million new homes could be built on 3.4% of the green belt. I know we need to keep this country green and pleasant etc. etc. however that's a bloody lot of houses for not much sacrifice. I apologise profusely for a sensible post. Edited by DanH (12 Aug 2015 10.54am) A sensible post?... building on green belt land that is needed for agriculture to feed our ever increasing population. A million new homes would need schools, shops, Dr's surgeries, hospitals, roads, etc.... would you build on more of the green belt for these too? Sorry for being all White Horse-y but this post on Conservative Home from the guy that did the study actually blames Labour for protecting land which probably doesn't need protecting. [Link] I don't care where the idea of building on green belt land comes from.. the greens/UKIP etc.... it is short sighted and wrong. nickgusset's suggestion to use-up properties lying empty, and brown field sites would ease matters for housing, but won't address the lack of schools, Dr's surgeries or hospitals. Why do you think that, out of interest? If you read all my posts properly you would know that I have previously stated that our agricultural needs will be increasing to feed a vastly increasing population. A lot of farmland has already been converted to electricity supply by installing solar panels (oops). Once built on, farmland is lost forever. Did you even read the link I posted? Skimmed it and recognised a load of stuff trotted out before and it didn't address the problem of how we are going to feed all these people and the children in the future if we build on prime agricultural land. So senior research fellow from credible research institute who researched and wrote a report on the topic 'trotted out' his opinion? It's not suggesting building on 'prime agricultural land' anyway. And as for feeding people, do you realise how much of the stuff in your local supermarkets is imported from other countries? Too much. Too much, too cheap and where it does come locally, usually supermarkets have squeezed almost all the profit out of the supplier. Yep, like the milk. They could double the price and no one would bat an eyelid. And it certainly wouldn't put them off buying it altogether. Seafood farmed in Thailand and China... no thanks. Not to mention the fact that Thai and Chinese Seafood farming is literally based on a slave model of production, which is illegal under international law. Filter feeders, grown in the dirtiest, s*tiest waters you'll ever see. Yummy. Cucking's bathwater? You've just made me have visions of you, cucking and that scene in Coming to America. That's the Eddie Murphy film before someone informs me there's a p*** parody. Optimistic as ever
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Aug 2015 12.52pm

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Quote DanH at 12 Aug 2015 12.29pm

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Quote DanH at 12 Aug 2015 11.59am

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Quote DanH at 12 Aug 2015 11.45am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Aug 2015 11.33am

Quote DanH at 12 Aug 2015 11.16am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Aug 2015 11.06am

Quote DanH at 12 Aug 2015 10.53am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Aug 2015 10.46am

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Quote dannyh at 11 Aug 2015 1.45pm

Annnnnyway. Back to the migrants in Calais;

Whilst I freely admit that some of the immigrant hoard, swarm, call it what you will, are genuine cases, why did they not stop in the first safe country they came to? This question has not been answered by the left of arc.

Next thing, I take it the left are not so arrogant as to believe that all are deserving cases, and that the bonhomie of benefit tourists do actually exist ?

What do the left believe should be done with immigrants that rock up from countries that are not at war, not being persecuted, and just fancy some free housing and dosh ?

lastly what the do the left feel about eastern European migrants who come here to work, get a E1-11 card, then jog on back to Romania have there medical treatment done over there privately costing thousands and then the NHS gets charged ?

I have posed straight forward questions, that don't require long winded t***twaffle. Just questions that require an honest answer.

Is mine the only computer that showed these questions? All very good ones Danny and I thought at least one of them deserved an answer.

Only legaleagle answered my genuine questions about infrastructure problems.

None of the others acknowledged or addressed my concerns and it will probably be the same here.

The infrastructure point I guess depends on where you sit on the economic fence. Given the lack of schools, housing, hospitals etc. there's a strong economic case to argue that a massive boost in capital expenditure by the government would lead to a greater long term recovery.

The current government's approach, whilst it has steadied the ship in the short term has only really papered over the cracks; a lot of the recovery has been because of the non-stop rise in house prices, fuelled by the lack of supply.

All the while there's little to no investment in roads/schools/housing/hospitals then we will struggle.

I know it's a common view that "there's no space" however there was a study from the Adam Smith institute recently (I'll try and find it) which estimated that about a million new homes could be built on 3.4% of the green belt. I know we need to keep this country green and pleasant etc. etc. however that's a bloody lot of houses for not much sacrifice.

I apologise profusely for a sensible post.

Edited by DanH (12 Aug 2015 10.54am)

A sensible post?... building on green belt land that is needed for agriculture to feed our ever increasing population.

A million new homes would need schools, shops, Dr's surgeries, hospitals, roads, etc.... would you build on more of the green belt for these too?

Sorry for being all White Horse-y but this post on Conservative Home from the guy that did the study actually blames Labour for protecting land which probably doesn't need protecting.

[Link]

I don't care where the idea of building on green belt land comes from.. the greens/UKIP etc.... it is short sighted and wrong.

nickgusset's suggestion to use-up properties lying empty, and brown field sites would ease matters for housing, but won't address the lack of schools, Dr's surgeries or hospitals.

Why do you think that, out of interest?

If you read all my posts properly you would know that I have previously stated that our agricultural needs will be increasing to feed a vastly increasing population. A lot of farmland has already been converted to electricity supply by installing solar panels (oops).

Once built on, farmland is lost forever.

Did you even read the link I posted?

Skimmed it and recognised a load of stuff trotted out before and it didn't address the problem of how we are going to feed all these people and the children in the future if we build on prime agricultural land.

So senior research fellow from credible research institute who researched and wrote a report on the topic 'trotted out' his opinion?

It's not suggesting building on 'prime agricultural land' anyway.

And as for feeding people, do you realise how much of the stuff in your local supermarkets is imported from other countries?

Too much.

Too much, too cheap and where it does come locally, usually supermarkets have squeezed almost all the profit out of the supplier.

Yep, like the milk. They could double the price and no one would bat an eyelid. And it certainly wouldn't put them off buying it altogether.

Seafood farmed in Thailand and China... no thanks.

Not to mention the fact that Thai and Chinese Seafood farming is literally based on a slave model of production, which is illegal under international law.

Filter feeders, grown in the dirtiest, s***tiest waters you'll ever see. Yummy.

Cucking's bathwater?

You've just made me have visions of you, cucking and that scene in Coming to America. That's the Eddie Murphy film before someone informs me there's a p*** parody.

Optimistic as ever

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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 12 Aug 15 4.07pm
Quote DanH at 12 Aug 2015 1.42pm Quote palace_in_frogland at 12 Aug 2015 1.41pm Been thinking about the idea of using empty houses for migrant families, as has been suggested several times. How long would a property have to remain empty before it qualified to be seized? When I go out to work in the morning and don't come back until the evening, my house has laid empty for about 10 hours. Is that long enough? No, of course not. So what about if I go on a fortnight's holiday? Or maybe I get a year's contract working in Abu Dhabi and my house is empty for 12 months? Could it be full of migrants when I come back? Anyone care to offer their thoughts on how it might work? If you leave your house it's automatically fair game. Thought so. Just nipped down the shops to stock up on turkey twizzlers, crisps and beer. Ain't going out again.
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In a broken dream 12 Aug 15 4.07pm

Quote DanH at 12 Aug 2015 1.42pm

Quote palace_in_frogland at 12 Aug 2015 1.41pm

Been thinking about the idea of using empty houses for migrant families, as has been suggested several times.

How long would a property have to remain empty before it qualified to be seized?

Or maybe I get a year's contract working in Abu Dhabi and my house is empty for 12 months? Could it be full of migrants when I come back?

Anyone care to offer their thoughts on how it might work?

If you leave your house it's automatically fair game.

Thought so. Just nipped down the shops to stock up on turkey twizzlers, crisps and beer.

Ain't going out again.

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Hoof Hearted 12 Aug 15 4.16pm
Right Dan.......... it appears that others have answered for me and it is very clear that building on farmland is inadvisable. The fact that some "eminent" scientist has overlooked this very obvious flaw in thinking just to trot out his very convenient answer to our housing problem makes me think he studied at a bogus university... you know... one of the ones set up to allow foreigners here to work rather than study.
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Hoof Hearted 12 Aug 15 4.16pm

Right Dan.......... it appears that others have answered for me and it is very clear that building on farmland is inadvisable.

The fact that some "eminent" scientist has overlooked this very obvious flaw in thinking just to trot out his very convenient answer to our housing problem makes me think he studied at a bogus university... you know... one of the ones set up to allow foreigners here to work rather than study.

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leggedstruggle Croydon 12 Aug 15 4.30pm
Reading the recent posts on this thread, anyone would think that immigration contributes to the housing crisis - fascists! Edited by leggedstruggle (12 Aug 2015 4.30pm) mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 12 Aug 15 4.30pm

Reading the recent posts on this thread, anyone would think that immigration contributes to the housing crisis - fascists!

Edited by leggedstruggle (12 Aug 2015 4.30pm)

mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler

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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Aug 15 4.37pm
Quote palace_in_frogland at 12 Aug 2015 4.07pm Thought so. Just nipped down the shops to stock up on turkey twizzlers, crisps and beer. Ain't going out again. I just got back with lub, gaffer tape and condoms, and no migrants had moved in. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 Aug 15 4.37pm

Quote palace_in_frogland at 12 Aug 2015 4.07pm

Thought so. Just nipped down the shops to stock up on turkey twizzlers, crisps and beer.

Ain't going out again.

I just got back with lub, gaffer tape and condoms, and no migrants had moved in.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Aug 15 4.43pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 12 Aug 2015 4.30pm Reading the recent posts on this thread, anyone would think that immigration contributes to the housing crisis - fascists! Edited by leggedstruggle (12 Aug 2015 4.30pm) Fascist Propaganda, there is no housing crisis, that cannot be solved by Marxist-Stalinism. Comrade, put an advert for more Immigrants to work in cemetery trade. Must have own shovel. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 Aug 15 4.43pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 12 Aug 2015 4.30pm

Reading the recent posts on this thread, anyone would think that immigration contributes to the housing crisis - fascists!

Edited by leggedstruggle (12 Aug 2015 4.30pm)

Fascist Propaganda, there is no housing crisis, that cannot be solved by Marxist-Stalinism.

Comrade, put an advert for more Immigrants to work in cemetery trade. Must have own shovel.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Aug 15 4.47pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Aug 2015 4.16pm Right Dan.......... it appears that others have answered for me and it is very clear that building on farmland is inadvisable. The fact that some "eminent" scientist has overlooked this very obvious flaw in thinking just to trot out his very convenient answer to our housing problem makes me think he studied at a bogus university... you know... one of the ones set up to allow foreigners here to work rather than study. Its viable, but its a lot more hassle than just building houses. The real problems are with infrastructure (having to put in new roads to connect into existing roads). Friend of mine did his PHd in Urban Planning. He was always banging on about why these kinds of developments always f**k up (essentially you need to build up not just the new area and estates, but all the connective infrastructure, as well as public transport. Apparently the best solution is to find green belt that has local train services running through it (or is close to a motorway). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 Aug 15 4.47pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Aug 2015 4.16pm

Right Dan.......... it appears that others have answered for me and it is very clear that building on farmland is inadvisable.

Its viable, but its a lot more hassle than just building houses. The real problems are with infrastructure (having to put in new roads to connect into existing roads).

Friend of mine did his PHd in Urban Planning. He was always banging on about why these kinds of developments always f**k up (essentially you need to build up not just the new area and estates, but all the connective infrastructure, as well as public transport. Apparently the best solution is to find green belt that has local train services running through it (or is close to a motorway).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Aug 15 5.27pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Aug 2015 4.47pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Aug 2015 4.16pm Right Dan.......... it appears that others have answered for me and it is very clear that building on farmland is inadvisable. The fact that some "eminent" scientist has overlooked this very obvious flaw in thinking just to trot out his very convenient answer to our housing problem makes me think he studied at a bogus university... you know... one of the ones set up to allow foreigners here to work rather than study. Its viable, but its a lot more hassle than just building houses. The real problems are with infrastructure (having to put in new roads to connect into existing roads). Friend of mine did his PHd in Urban Planning. He was always banging on about why these kinds of developments always f**k up (essentially you need to build up not just the new area and estates, but all the connective infrastructure, as well as public transport. Apparently the best solution is to find green belt that has local train services running through it (or is close to a motorway). Hence the expansion of Bracknell...
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Shizzlehurst 12 Aug 15 5.27pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Aug 2015 4.47pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Aug 2015 4.16pm

Right Dan.......... it appears that others have answered for me and it is very clear that building on farmland is inadvisable.

Its viable, but its a lot more hassle than just building houses. The real problems are with infrastructure (having to put in new roads to connect into existing roads).

Hence the expansion of Bracknell...

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corkery Cork City 12 Aug 15 5.42pm
Quote palace_in_frogland at 12 Aug 2015 1.41pm Been thinking about the idea of using empty houses for migrant families, as has been suggested several times. Was that actually suggested? The hippies come out with weird odd suggestions. We'll never die
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Cork City 12 Aug 15 5.42pm

Quote palace_in_frogland at 12 Aug 2015 1.41pm

Been thinking about the idea of using empty houses for migrant families, as has been suggested several times.

Was that actually suggested? The hippies come out with weird odd suggestions.

We'll never die

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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 12 Aug 15 8.15pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Aug 2015 4.37pm Quote palace_in_frogland at 12 Aug 2015 4.07pm Thought so. Just nipped down the shops to stock up on turkey twizzlers, crisps and beer. Ain't going out again. I just got back with lub, gaffer tape and condoms, and no migrants had moved in. Sounds like you've already got a few there, judging by your shopping list.
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In a broken dream 12 Aug 15 8.15pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Aug 2015 4.37pm

Quote palace_in_frogland at 12 Aug 2015 4.07pm

Thought so. Just nipped down the shops to stock up on turkey twizzlers, crisps and beer.

Ain't going out again.

I just got back with lub, gaffer tape and condoms, and no migrants had moved in.

Sounds like you've already got a few there, judging by your shopping list.

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