Excess deaths are no higher than normal. Other respiratory deaths and flu seem non existent. You really do gobble everything you’re fed.

COYP

It is what it is:

"For multiple posts you denigrated the NHS worker who was brutally assaulted as 'playing prefect' and criticised him for asking others to wear a mask. You then said you're 'waiting for people' to do the same (in public). An inference that he was in the 'wrong' to say anything , and connection to something that is unrelated anyway (wearing a mask on the pavement).

Nowhere in those initial posts did you in the least bit even criticise those who shattered his eye socket aside from a begrudged 'not condoning it'. You most certainly did so on account that you do not agree with them being asked to wear a mask by him due to your outlook.

This was highlighted by fact that when bellends question workers at 'empty' testing centres you don't criticise them in the slightest and in fact post and endorse their behaviour over and over. So you deem their behaviour to be acceptable and yet when an NHS worker gets brutally assulted, your limp reply is a bullyish "we've told you what can happen" and to immediately start talking about "snitching" on neighrbours and the like.

That's what it comes down to. As stated, testing centre nutjobs tick the box of what you politically agree with so you're all in with them. Their harassment and filming of others is fine by you. But an NHS worker on a train who essentially evokes your 'feelings' about masks and 'snitches' and the like, is someone quite frankly that you have shown very little concern towards at all even when they are violently attacked. Your attitude and wording criticised him more than them.

They are scum, Rudi. It's that simple."

Edited by BlueJay (31 Oct 2020 1.22am)

It’s got fack all to do with why or a mask. When will you get that through your thick skull. Poke someone in public and you might not get the response you can’t deal with. Live with it. It’s reality.

And having a go at me on the street will understandably land someone in trouble. It’s on the facking street, not on a tube. My space, don’t give me Sh1t because it’s 2020 and you’re in nazi mode like some are this year. Walk there, follow the arrows, after staff talk through masks onto my food.

And the test centre questioning is entirely different but yet again you try to use it to prove some kind of point. Don’t go bothering people on tubes and definitely do t bother people on the street. Council workers or tax paid people standing about doing nothing for £30,000 a year, yes they can be questioned. Hardly facking physical abuse is it? God you’re a trial. I’m now frankly bored with it. You know my opinion. You try and twist it because I can tell that’s what you do. Good luck on your vigilante weekend with the neighbourhood watch out in town.

COYP

That's what I mean about how from a government position there's no easy decisions. They could do next to nothing and let it burn through the population over the course of a year (and then return and do a number on some of those it nearly took out first time around). Businesses would take a significant hit due to fear and deaths, but certainly not as much as a lockdown would cause. They could instead do what it looks like they're going to and have another lockdown. From a health perspective that some has upsides, but comes at massive economic cost for families and society as we well know.

Regardless of the path we take the vaccine is the single most promising possibility on the horizon. If it's even half way successful it turns into 'this is as good as it gets, time to get on with it'. If the vaccines fail though, as you rightly say, then what? No matter what a governments take is, it doesn't seem feasible to have national lockdown after lockdown after lockdown (though they appear to be trying to give it a good go!), especially when its not something that's likely to ever go away anyway.

Businesses closed but schools open might not even achieve the kind of drop the government is hoping for anyway, so that is a real concern if they're going to force the country and parts of the economy to shut down again. Maybe local lockdowns in especially hard hit areas is the best compromise to continue with, even though they appear to be eager to move beyond it. However and whenever we emerge from this, the virus and attempts to deal with it will have taken its pound of flesh in one way or another.

Some like to simplify this whole situation into us vs them and something mentally manageable for themselves, but personally I'm glad I'm not the one having to make these decisions. I feel sadness for all of those impacted, either directly through the virus, or other health issues put on hold, or through business closures and job losses. A very tough moment in time for so many individuals and families with none of them in any way deserving of what came their way.

Edited by BlueJay (31 Oct 2020 2.06am)

This will help get the numbers down I'm sure!!!

Covid: Birmingham shisha cafe shut down after second breach

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image captionPolice released a video "showing the moment we forced our way in to Kasablanca"

Police have closed a shisha cafe after finding about 150 people inside, days after the venue was hit with a £10,000 fine for Covid-19 breaches.

Officers forced their way in to Kasablanca in the Highgate area of Birmingham at 01:00 BST on 24 October.

Video posted on YouTube shows officers forcing entry to the smokers' lounge on Moseley Street, with shrieks audible as they disperse the crowds.

The venue had broken restrictions earlier this month, police said.

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image captionKasablanca had already been fined for breaking Covid regulations

Birmingham and the wider West Midlands combined authority area has been widely predicted to move to tier three "very high alert" measures as soon as the end of next week, as infection rates continue to rise.

In a separate incident, the owner of a venue in Smethwick, West Midlands, has been fined £10,000, after hosting a wedding celebration for more than 70 people.

Ch Supt Andy Beard said: "It's unacceptable that these businesses continue to flout the law, putting lives at risk and increasing the risk of infections as this deadly virus continues to spread.

"This is a difficult time for everyone, but we won't be able to control this pandemic and return to a sense of normality if this continues to happen."

Closed-down venues have their orders reviewed every week by the local authority and owners must prove they are complying with the law before reopening, the force said.

A national lockdown will be a disgrace in my opinion.
Deaths are slowly falling.
The new tier arrangements haven't been proved to work or not yet.
Too much scaremonger modelling by self interested Scientists.
Much as I love Boris even I now think that if he does this he is pandering not governing.
He has to hold fast but this "rumour" is obviously fact and now supermarkets will run out of essentials and here we go again.
Madness.