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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Oct 20 7.35pm
Originally posted by BlueJay A timely reminder of seven day rolling rates of new cases for people to get better feel of the situation in their area: [Link] The problem I have with that map [Link] is the ranges, and the people probably knew what they were doing with the ranges jumping from 50 to 100 where the majority fall into that 100 range. 0-19 11-50 51-100 101-200 201-400 401+ Now on that site it has Surrey on 116, croydon on 116, Sutton on 127 and Bromley on 123. So they get lumped in as being as bad as boroughs close to 200 per 100,000. Tandridge on the BBC site [Link] is at 87. Tandridge isn’t a good constituency to use as it’s split so much by green areas between Caterham and Oxted. But it’s nowhere near 116. Edited by Rudi Hedman (30 Oct 2020 7.37pm) COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 30 Oct 20 7.35pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

A timely reminder of seven day rolling rates of new cases for people to get better feel of the situation in their area: [Link]

The problem I have with that map [Link] is the ranges, and the people probably knew what they were doing with the ranges jumping from 50 to 100 where the majority fall into that 100 range.

0-19
11-50
51-100
101-200
201-400
401+

Now on that site it has Surrey on 116, croydon on 116, Sutton on 127 and Bromley on 123. So they get lumped in as being as bad as boroughs close to 200 per 100,000.

Tandridge on the BBC site [Link] is at 87. Tandridge isn’t a good constituency to use as it’s split so much by green areas between Caterham and Oxted. But it’s nowhere near 116.

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BlueJay UK 30 Oct 20 7.37pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman What a load of bollox. We’ve said this is likely to happen. Completely different. And we haven’t brought in our outlook at all. Not bollocks at all. Your attitude was pathetic. For multiple posts you denigrated the NHS worker who was brutally assaulted as 'playing prefect' and criticised him for asking others to wear a mask. You then said you're 'waiting for people' to do the same (in public). An inference that he was in the 'wrong' to say anything , and connection to something that is unrelated anyway (wearing a mask on the pavement). Nowhere in those initial posts did you in the least bit even criticise those who shattered his eye socket aside from a begrudged 'not condoning it'. You most certainly did so on account that you do not agree with them being asked to wear a mask by him due to your outlook. This was highlighted by fact that when bellends question workers at 'empty' testing centres you don't criticise them in the slightest and in fact post and endorse their behaviour over and over. So you deem their behaviour to be acceptable and yet when an NHS worker gets brutally assulted, your limp reply is a bullyish "we've told you what can happen" and to immediately start talking about "snitching" on neighrbours and the like. That's what it comes down to. As stated, testing centre nutjobs tick the box of what you politically agree with so you're all in with them. Their harassment and filming of others is fine by you. But an NHS worker on a train who essentially evokes your 'feelings' about masks and 'snitches' and the like, is someone quite frankly that you have shown very little concern towards at all even when they are violently attacked. Your attitude and wording criticised him more than them and used their violent behaviour as what amounts to an indirect warning to others with talk of snitches and 'what did he expect' type ideas bolted on for good measure. They are scum, Rudi. It's that simple. Edited by BlueJay (30 Oct 2020 8.11pm)
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UK 30 Oct 20 7.37pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

What a load of bollox. We’ve said this is likely to happen. Completely different. And we haven’t brought in our outlook at all.

Not bollocks at all. Your attitude was pathetic. For multiple posts you denigrated the NHS worker who was brutally assaulted as 'playing prefect' and criticised him for asking others to wear a mask. You then said you're 'waiting for people' to do the same (in public). An inference that he was in the 'wrong' to say anything , and connection to something that is unrelated anyway (wearing a mask on the pavement).

This was highlighted by fact that when bellends question workers at 'empty' testing centres you don't criticise them in the slightest and in fact post and endorse their behaviour over and over. So you deem their behaviour to be acceptable and yet when an NHS worker gets brutally assulted, your limp reply is a bullyish "we've told you what can happen" and to immediately start talking about "snitching" on neighrbours and the like.

That's what it comes down to. As stated, testing centre nutjobs tick the box of what you politically agree with so you're all in with them. Their harassment and filming of others is fine by you. But an NHS worker on a train who essentially evokes your 'feelings' about masks and 'snitches' and the like, is someone quite frankly that you have shown very little concern towards at all even when they are violently attacked. Your attitude and wording criticised him more than them and used their violent behaviour as what amounts to an indirect warning to others with talk of snitches and 'what did he expect' type ideas bolted on for good measure.

They are scum, Rudi. It's that simple.

Edited by BlueJay (30 Oct 2020 8.11pm)

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Eden Eagle Kent 30 Oct 20 7.46pm
Originally posted by BlueJay This idea that there is some profound conspiracy that is revealed by a handful of individuals turning up and filming testing centres and harassing workers (in what we learn is the 'right kind' of harassment) is off the charts mad. There are testing centers into the triple figures. Do you think it's hard to find a time where some are empty? Fringe 'echo chamber' Twitter accounts are hardly going to say "oh look I found a busy one too, here's a recording of that as well". If you truly believe that these tests aren't actually happening and instead the country is littered with empty testing centres that nobody ever goes to as part of some secret government conspiracy that you've uncovered by following a few bats*** social media accounts then that is concerning. And as others have said, our experience and numbers are mirrored in countless countries so there is nothing out of the ordinary about the number of tests taking place anyway. Edited by BlueJay (30 Oct 2020 6.47pm) BJ - you obviously believe everything that is put in front of you by the Government and MSM and that is fine but like I said previously you and other posters are very quick to claim this Government are dishonest and not trustworthy (Brexit) but are honest and trusted with CV19. Some of us are concerned about the direction this Government is taking our country with the severe economic damage, thousands of extra deaths due to NHS cancelling treatment, millions of unemployed, the impact to mental health - to question this is not a conspiracy. It would also be a more pleasant debate if you refrained from using “conspiracy” against any views which do not match yours. Thanks
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Kent 30 Oct 20 7.46pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

This idea that there is some profound conspiracy that is revealed by a handful of individuals turning up and filming testing centres and harassing workers (in what we learn is the 'right kind' of harassment) is off the charts mad. There are testing centers into the triple figures. Do you think it's hard to find a time where some are empty? Fringe 'echo chamber' Twitter accounts are hardly going to say "oh look I found a busy one too, here's a recording of that as well". If you truly believe that these tests aren't actually happening and instead the country is littered with empty testing centres that nobody ever goes to as part of some secret government conspiracy that you've uncovered by following a few bats*** social media accounts then that is concerning.

And as others have said, our experience and numbers are mirrored in countless countries so there is nothing out of the ordinary about the number of tests taking place anyway.

Edited by BlueJay (30 Oct 2020 6.47pm)

BJ - you obviously believe everything that is put in front of you by the Government and MSM and that is fine but like I said previously you and other posters are very quick to claim this Government are dishonest and not trustworthy (Brexit) but are honest and trusted with CV19.

Some of us are concerned about the direction this Government is taking our country with the severe economic damage, thousands of extra deaths due to NHS cancelling treatment, millions of unemployed, the impact to mental health - to question this is not a conspiracy.

It would also be a more pleasant debate if you refrained from using “conspiracy” against any views which do not match yours.

Thanks

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BlueJay UK 30 Oct 20 7.49pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman The problem I have with that map [Link] is the ranges, and the people probably knew what they were doing with the ranges jumping from 50 to 100 where the majority fall into that 100 range. 0-19 11-50 51-100 101-200 201-400 401+ Now on that site it has Surrey on 116, croydon on 116, Sutton on 127 and Bromley on 123. So they get lumped in as being as bad as boroughs close to 200 per 100,000. Tandridge on the BBC site [Link] is at 87. Tandridge isn’t a good constituency to use as it’s split so much by green areas between Caterham and Oxted. But it’s nowhere near 116. Edited by Rudi Hedman (30 Oct 2020 7.37pm) I posted it as a general guide to those who may have to travel or be considering a break away, or may have elderly relatives who are wondering if its a good time to venture out and so on. It's up to people how they use it, but it's potentially useful I would say.
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BlueJay

UK 30 Oct 20 7.49pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The problem I have with that map [Link] is the ranges, and the people probably knew what they were doing with the ranges jumping from 50 to 100 where the majority fall into that 100 range.

0-19
11-50
51-100
101-200
201-400
401+

Now on that site it has Surrey on 116, croydon on 116, Sutton on 127 and Bromley on 123. So they get lumped in as being as bad as boroughs close to 200 per 100,000.

Tandridge on the BBC site [Link] is at 87. Tandridge isn’t a good constituency to use as it’s split so much by green areas between Caterham and Oxted. But it’s nowhere near 116.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (30 Oct 2020 7.37pm)

I posted it as a general guide to those who may have to travel or be considering a break away, or may have elderly relatives who are wondering if its a good time to venture out and so on. It's up to people how they use it, but it's potentially useful I would say.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Oct 20 8.11pm
I’m going to address that angry rant later. I’ve already said I do t condone it. Because I followed it with ‘but’, you’ve got your frilly knickers in a twist. Whether a non mask wearer, a burger eater, a spitter or whatever. If you start lecturing people out in public then these things can happen. If someone starts at me over not wearing a mask outdoors then they can fvck off because 1) I don’t have to and 2) just don’t come fvcking near me. When the mask wearing became compulsory I got a few stares from idiots in Caterham valley when they were nowhere near me, OUT BL00Dy SIDE. And yes, they can mind their own feckin business and not invade my space for several reasons and I’m actually within my rights to show them my disapproval. What is it with people this year. Feckin busy pr1cks mostly. COYP
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Caterham 30 Oct 20 8.11pm

I’m going to address that angry rant later.

I’ve already said I do t condone it. Because I followed it with ‘but’, you’ve got your frilly knickers in a twist. Whether a non mask wearer, a burger eater, a spitter or whatever. If you start lecturing people out in public then these things can happen.

If someone starts at me over not wearing a mask outdoors then they can fvck off because 1) I don’t have to and 2) just don’t come fvcking near me. When the mask wearing became compulsory I got a few stares from idiots in Caterham valley when they were nowhere near me, OUT BL00Dy SIDE. And yes, they can mind their own feckin business and not invade my space for several reasons and I’m actually within my rights to show them my disapproval. What is it with people this year. Feckin busy pr1cks mostly.

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BlueJay UK 30 Oct 20 8.32pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I’m going to address that angry rant later. I’ve already said I do t condone it. Because I followed it with ‘but’, you’ve got your frilly knickers in a twist. Whether a non mask wearer, a burger eater, a spitter or whatever. If you start lecturing people out in public then these things can happen. If someone starts at me over not wearing a mask outdoors then they can fvck off because 1) I don’t have to and 2) just don’t come fvcking near me. When the mask wearing became compulsory I got a few stares from idiots in Caterham valley when they were nowhere near me, OUT BL00Dy SIDE. And yes, they can mind their own feckin business and not invade my space for several reasons and I’m actually within my rights to show them my disapproval. What is it with people this year. Feckin busy pr1cks mostly. An attempt to slink away from the conversation. I very clearly don't think that anyone has the right to question someone over a mask 'outside'. The point made is that you bundled this thought along with ones about 'snitches' into the mix when hearing about this NHS worker asking people to wear masks on a train. It speaks to how you perceive him and your consequent lack of concern for him. Edited by BlueJay (30 Oct 2020 8.49pm)
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UK 30 Oct 20 8.32pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I’m going to address that angry rant later.

An attempt to slink away from the conversation. I very clearly don't think that anyone has the right to question someone over a mask 'outside'. The point made is that you bundled this thought along with ones about 'snitches' into the mix when hearing about this NHS worker asking people to wear masks on a train. It speaks to how you perceive him and your consequent lack of concern for him.

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BlueJay UK 30 Oct 20 8.38pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Speaking to someone metres away and probably on the other side of a fence is hardly harassment and not invading anyone’s space. They’re government employees on duty, just like a council employee. Asking them questions is harassment? Ha ha ha ha. You skew things so heavily through the filter of your beliefs that you don't appreciate what you're saying. We could just as easily say that speaking to someone on a tube train endangering others health and breaking the law by not wearing a mask is "hardly harassment" and not "invading others space". In fact being that they are doing something against the law, there is all the more legitimacy to saying something. And yet while you actively endorse the behaviour of these conspiracy types questioning and filming people due to their 'theories', you do the opposite to an NHS worker actually looking out for his community (rather than seeking echo chamber social media content). In his case you denigrate his character (playing prefect), his actions, warn others about questioning people over masks in not just this, but multiple situations (by lumping it in with 'snitching on neighbours', ''coming up to you in the street') and show next to no concern for an attack that on another day he may well not have even survived. All the consequence of a pointless and ill fitting 'Us vs Them' outlook. Edited by BlueJay (30 Oct 2020 8.51pm)
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UK 30 Oct 20 8.38pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Speaking to someone metres away and probably on the other side of a fence is hardly harassment and not invading anyone’s space. They’re government employees on duty, just like a council employee. Asking them questions is harassment? Ha ha ha ha.

You skew things so heavily through the filter of your beliefs that you don't appreciate what you're saying.

We could just as easily say that speaking to someone on a tube train endangering others health and breaking the law by not wearing a mask is "hardly harassment" and not "invading others space". In fact being that they are doing something against the law, there is all the more legitimacy to saying something. And yet while you actively endorse the behaviour of these conspiracy types questioning and filming people due to their 'theories', you do the opposite to an NHS worker actually looking out for his community (rather than seeking echo chamber social media content). In his case you denigrate his character (playing prefect), his actions, warn others about questioning people over masks in not just this, but multiple situations (by lumping it in with 'snitching on neighbours', ''coming up to you in the street') and show next to no concern for an attack that on another day he may well not have even survived. All the consequence of a pointless and ill fitting 'Us vs Them' outlook.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Oct 20 8.57pm
I can’t be &rsed to read this right now, DURING A PALACE MATCH. Are you even a fan. Seriously, you need to leave off and give this up. For the fvcking 5th time, I said I didn’t condone it, but it can happen and don’t be surprised. But if some busy pr1ck also gets in police mode over something I’m allowed to do that they don’t like. Well guess what, kind your own & fvck off away from me at the same time. YOUR’E BEING AN ABSOLUTE FECKIN PEST. I’ve told you countless times I didn’t condone it, yet you carry on some kind of evil accusation at me. Now back the f off. Edited by Rudi Hedman (30 Oct 2020 8.58pm) COYP
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I can’t be &rsed to read this right now, DURING A PALACE MATCH.

Are you even a fan. Seriously, you need to leave off and give this up.

For the fvcking 5th time, I said I didn’t condone it, but it can happen and don’t be surprised. But if some busy pr1ck also gets in police mode over something I’m allowed to do that they don’t like. Well guess what, kind your own & fvck off away from me at the same time.

YOUR’E BEING AN ABSOLUTE FECKIN PEST. I’ve told you countless times I didn’t condone it, yet you carry on some kind of evil accusation at me. Now back the f off.

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BlueJay UK 30 Oct 20 9.00pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I can’t be &rsed to read this right now It's called multitasking (and its HT now anyway lovey) and ending an interaction with someone with zero regard for reality and little obvious compassion or concern for violence visited upon someone he disagrees with. Edited by BlueJay (30 Oct 2020 9.13pm)
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UK 30 Oct 20 9.00pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I can’t be &rsed to read this right now

It's called multitasking (and its HT now anyway lovey) and ending an interaction with someone with zero regard for reality and little obvious compassion or concern for violence visited upon someone he disagrees with.

Edited by BlueJay (30 Oct 2020 9.13pm)

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BlueJay UK 30 Oct 20 9.04pm
Quote 1. I’d expect at least one video by someone with your point of view by now. But there isn’t one. Not one. It took all of five seconds to Google and find an article about queues of people outside of this particular tes centre. I dare say it's very easy to find others: [Link] “The queues went all the way around the site. I was gobsmacked.” No doubt they're 'crisis actors' and this didn't really happen. If if takes all of 5 seconds to disprove a point, then you're simply not interested in reality. Edited by BlueJay (30 Oct 2020 9.04pm)
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UK 30 Oct 20 9.04pm

Quote 1. I’d expect at least one video by someone with your point of view by now. But there isn’t one. Not one.

It took all of five seconds to Google and find an article about queues of people outside of this particular tes centre. I dare say it's very easy to find others: [Link]

“The queues went all the way around the site. I was gobsmacked.”

No doubt they're 'crisis actors' and this didn't really happen. If if takes all of 5 seconds to disprove a point, then you're simply not interested in reality.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Oct 20 9.14pm
Originally posted by BlueJay It's called multitasking (and its HT now anyway lovey) and ending an interaction with someone with zero regard for reality and little obvious concern for violence visited upon those he disagrees with. Edited by BlueJay (30 Oct 2020 9.09pm) You’re clearly struggling for 24 hours with the words I don’t condone this’ Good for you. What a ..... You’re so naively perfect out in public I’m sure everyone watches what they do when you’re around off duty as you go around reminding people of the law without any problems. COYP
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Caterham 30 Oct 20 9.14pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

It's called multitasking (and its HT now anyway lovey) and ending an interaction with someone with zero regard for reality and little obvious concern for violence visited upon those he disagrees with.

Edited by BlueJay (30 Oct 2020 9.09pm)

You’re clearly struggling for 24 hours with the words I don’t condone this’

Good for you. What a ..... You’re so naively perfect out in public I’m sure everyone watches what they do when you’re around off duty as you go around reminding people of the law without any problems.

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BlueJay UK 30 Oct 20 9.17pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman You’re clearly struggling for 24 hours with the words I don’t condone this’ Just as you're struggling to acknowledge the reality (as per usual) of your own stated view rather than the after the fact rehash "For multiple posts you denigrated the NHS worker who was brutally assaulted as 'playing prefect' and criticised him for asking others to wear a mask. You then said you're 'waiting for people' to do the same (in public). An inference that he was in the 'wrong' to say anything , and connection to something that is unrelated anyway (wearing a mask on the pavement). Nowhere in those initial posts did you in the least bit even criticise those who shattered his eye socket aside from a begrudged 'not condoning it'. You most certainly did so on account that you do not agree with them being asked to wear a mask by him due to your outlook. This was highlighted by fact that when bellends question workers at 'empty' testing centres you don't criticise them in the slightest and in fact post and endorse their behaviour over and over. So you deem their behaviour to be acceptable and yet when an NHS worker gets brutally assulted, your limp reply is a bullyish "we've told you what can happen" and to immediately start talking about "snitching" on neighrbours and the like. That's what it comes down to. As stated, testing centre nutjobs tick the box of what you politically agree with so you're all in with them. Their harassment and filming of others is fine by you. But an NHS worker on a train who essentially evokes your 'feelings' about masks and 'snitches' and the like, is someone quite frankly that you have shown very little concern towards at all even when they are violently attacked. Your attitude and wording criticised him more than them and used their violent behaviour as what amounts to an indirect warning to others with talk of snitches and 'what did he expect' type ideas bolted on for good measure. They are scum, Rudi. It's that simple. " As I said, he's scum for attacking this NHS worker. Now move on. Edited by BlueJay (30 Oct 2020 9.19pm)
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UK 30 Oct 20 9.17pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You’re clearly struggling for 24 hours with the words I don’t condone this’

Just as you're struggling to acknowledge the reality (as per usual) of your own stated view rather than the after the fact rehash

"For multiple posts you denigrated the NHS worker who was brutally assaulted as 'playing prefect' and criticised him for asking others to wear a mask. You then said you're 'waiting for people' to do the same (in public). An inference that he was in the 'wrong' to say anything , and connection to something that is unrelated anyway (wearing a mask on the pavement).

Nowhere in those initial posts did you in the least bit even criticise those who shattered his eye socket aside from a begrudged 'not condoning it'. You most certainly did so on account that you do not agree with them being asked to wear a mask by him due to your outlook.

This was highlighted by fact that when bellends question workers at 'empty' testing centres you don't criticise them in the slightest and in fact post and endorse their behaviour over and over. So you deem their behaviour to be acceptable and yet when an NHS worker gets brutally assulted, your limp reply is a bullyish "we've told you what can happen" and to immediately start talking about "snitching" on neighrbours and the like.

That's what it comes down to. As stated, testing centre nutjobs tick the box of what you politically agree with so you're all in with them. Their harassment and filming of others is fine by you. But an NHS worker on a train who essentially evokes your 'feelings' about masks and 'snitches' and the like, is someone quite frankly that you have shown very little concern towards at all even when they are violently attacked. Your attitude and wording criticised him more than them and used their violent behaviour as what amounts to an indirect warning to others with talk of snitches and 'what did he expect' type ideas bolted on for good measure.

They are scum, Rudi. It's that simple. "

As I said, he's scum for attacking this NHS worker. Now move on.

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