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Stirlingsays 14 Nov 19 2.07am
Direct election interference from Donald Tusk. This kind of thing happens all the time now, left or right. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2019 2.08am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Nov 19 2.07am

Direct election interference from Donald Tusk.

This kind of thing happens all the time now, left or right.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2019 2.08am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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becky over the moon 14 Nov 19 5.41am
Originally posted by cryrst Judge. Have you considered that we are being forced to live longer so being more of a burden on the services and the state. There is an obvious link between health and pension age extension. The same link between us living longer and NHS usage. Also all these billionaires and the top 1% actually Pay 25% of tax take. Irrelevant what % of what they earn is payed it is still an absolute huge amount. If labour get in power they will raise tax for the top 5% of earners. That will be from around 75k upwards. When the very highest earners give it the middle finger labour will slowly scratch another 1% down then another 1% down. Before long 40k will have a tax increase. Then pensions then home owners. Socialism wants equality. The only people who will be unaffected are the feckless and work shy. There is also a link between the ages of starting work - my day used to be 15/16, now minimum 18 and if you go to uni 21/22 so later starting to pay tax/NIC A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 14 Nov 19 5.41am

Originally posted by cryrst

Judge.
Have you considered that we are being forced to live longer so being more of a burden on the services and the state.
There is an obvious link between health and pension age extension.
The same link between us living longer and NHS usage.
Also all these billionaires and the top 1% actually
Pay 25% of tax take.
Irrelevant what % of what they earn is payed it is still an absolute huge amount.
If labour get in power they will raise tax for the top 5% of earners.
That will be from around 75k upwards.
When the very highest earners give it the middle finger labour will slowly scratch another 1% down then another 1% down.
Before long 40k will have a tax increase.
Then pensions then home owners.
Socialism wants equality.
The only people who will be unaffected are the feckless and work shy.

There is also a link between the ages of starting work - my day used to be 15/16, now minimum 18 and if you go to uni 21/22 so later starting to pay tax/NIC

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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W12 14 Nov 19 6.40am
Originally posted by cryrst Judge. Have you considered that we are being forced to live longer so being more of a burden on the services and the state. There is an obvious link between health and pension age extension. The same link between us living longer and NHS usage. Also all these billionaires and the top 1% actually Pay 25% of tax take. Irrelevant what % of what they earn is payed it is still an absolute huge amount. If labour get in power they will raise tax for the top 5% of earners. That will be from around 75k upwards. When the very highest earners give it the middle finger labour will slowly scratch another 1% down then another 1% down. Before long 40k will have a tax increase. Then pensions then home owners. Socialism wants equality. The only people who will be unaffected are the feckless and work shy. Everyone will be negatively affected by the next Labour government whether it is Corbyn or whoever. It would be nothing like what happened in the 70’s and Blair has laid the groundwork for this. It would entirely destroy our country if that hasn’t already happened anyway. Take a walk down the Uxbridge road and it looks like it’s too late to avoid this.
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W12 14 Nov 19 6.40am

Originally posted by cryrst

Judge.
Have you considered that we are being forced to live longer so being more of a burden on the services and the state.
There is an obvious link between health and pension age extension.
The same link between us living longer and NHS usage.
Also all these billionaires and the top 1% actually
Pay 25% of tax take.
Irrelevant what % of what they earn is payed it is still an absolute huge amount.
If labour get in power they will raise tax for the top 5% of earners.
That will be from around 75k upwards.
When the very highest earners give it the middle finger labour will slowly scratch another 1% down then another 1% down.
Before long 40k will have a tax increase.
Then pensions then home owners.
Socialism wants equality.
The only people who will be unaffected are the feckless and work shy.

Everyone will be negatively affected by the next Labour government whether it is Corbyn or whoever. It would be nothing like what happened in the 70’s and Blair has laid the groundwork for this. It would entirely destroy our country if that hasn’t already happened anyway. Take a walk down the Uxbridge road and it looks like it’s too late to avoid this.

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Badger11 Beckenham 14 Nov 19 8.19am
Originally posted by becky There is also a link between the ages of starting work - my day used to be 15/16, now minimum 18 and if you go to uni 21/22 so later starting to pay tax/NIC Well said Becky, start work at 15 retire at 65 and die at 70, that was how the state pension was planned. Today people live longer and in retirement are entitled to benefits in addition to the state pension. In short we are all costing the taxpayer more money. As Tux is fond of saying it's a Ponzi scheme. One more point
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Beckenham 14 Nov 19 8.19am

Originally posted by becky

There is also a link between the ages of starting work - my day used to be 15/16, now minimum 18 and if you go to uni 21/22 so later starting to pay tax/NIC

Well said Becky, start work at 15 retire at 65 and die at 70, that was how the state pension was planned. Today people live longer and in retirement are entitled to benefits in addition to the state pension.

In short we are all costing the taxpayer more money. As Tux is fond of saying it's a Ponzi scheme.

One more point

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Matov 14 Nov 19 8.42am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Direct election interference from Donald Tusk. This kind of thing happens all the time now, left or right. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2019 2.08am) Just the way of the world. I always like to think that Obama's intervention in 2016 was one of the things that swung it for the Leave side. And I loved Tusk's comments about how us Leavers are hankering for 'Empire'. LOL. Especially given what Guy van Hofstadt said recently. Surely the point of us leaving the EU is that we don't want to be part of an 'Empire'. Let us hope for more interventions like this. All helpful. Edited by Matov (14 Nov 2019 8.43am) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

14 Nov 19 8.42am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Direct election interference from Donald Tusk.

This kind of thing happens all the time now, left or right.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2019 2.08am)

Just the way of the world. I always like to think that Obama's intervention in 2016 was one of the things that swung it for the Leave side.

And I loved Tusk's comments about how us Leavers are hankering for 'Empire'. LOL. Especially given what Guy van Hofstadt said recently.

Surely the point of us leaving the EU is that we don't want to be part of an 'Empire'.

Let us hope for more interventions like this. All helpful.

Edited by Matov (14 Nov 2019 8.43am)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Spiderman Horsham 14 Nov 19 9.25am
Originally posted by Jway89 Not to pick on you, but, this is the problem right? We seem to view politics as a match of football, where we support a team no matter what. Boris did win London twice, but what did he actually do? Not just him, I'm not sure I can actually name a thing of note any London Mayor has done. This is why I try not to read newspapers and watch things like Question Time, because there's never any in depth discussion on the matters and because papers like The Sun were Labour through and through and now they're full on Conservative. The Mirror is the reverse. How can you honestly switch your views so drastically? I've seen a better attempt in forums like this one, although not always successfully, to try and discuss issues. Have you visited London since he was Mayor? He improved the transport system no end (especially bus service) IMO
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Horsham 14 Nov 19 9.25am

Originally posted by Jway89

Not to pick on you, but, this is the problem right?

We seem to view politics as a match of football, where we support a team no matter what.

Boris did win London twice, but what did he actually do? Not just him, I'm not sure I can actually name a thing of note any London Mayor has done.

This is why I try not to read newspapers and watch things like Question Time, because there's never any in depth discussion on the matters and because papers like The Sun were Labour through and through and now they're full on Conservative. The Mirror is the reverse. How can you honestly switch your views so drastically? I've seen a better attempt in forums like this one, although not always successfully, to try and discuss issues.

Have you visited London since he was Mayor? He improved the transport system no end (especially bus service) IMO

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Spiderman Horsham 14 Nov 19 9.29am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 We need to vote this council out. They want to build 40.000 homes in croydon!!! [Link] Horsham have just started building another 2750 homes on green belt land and are seriously considering allowing a 12 storey high incinerator to be built as well.
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Horsham 14 Nov 19 9.29am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

We need to vote this council out.
They want to build 40.000 homes in croydon!!!

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Horsham have just started building another 2750 homes on green belt land and are seriously considering allowing a 12 storey high incinerator to be built as well.

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Stirlingsays 14 Nov 19 9.33am
Originally posted by Matov Just the way of the world. I always like to think that Obama's intervention in 2016 was one of the things that swung it for the Leave side. And I loved Tusk's comments about how us Leavers are hankering for 'Empire'. LOL. Especially given what Guy van Hofstadt said recently. Surely the point of us leaving the EU is that we don't want to be part of an 'Empire'. Let us hope for more interventions like this. All helpful. Edited by Matov (14 Nov 2019 8.43am) Yep, plus advertising of what Labour's conference voted for to be their policies in respect of immigration...This needs to be front and centre in all Labour's northern heartlands. Maintain and extend free movement rights Close all detention centres End “no recourse to public funds” policies Scrap all Hostile Environment measures… and restrictions on migrants’ NHS access Extend equal rights to vote to all UK residents regardless of nationality Oppose the current immigration legislation and any curbing of rights Campaign for free movement, equality and rights for migrants Reject any immigration system based on incomes, migrants’ utility to business, and number caps/targets Ensure unconditional right to family reunion 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Nov 19 9.33am

Originally posted by Matov

Just the way of the world. I always like to think that Obama's intervention in 2016 was one of the things that swung it for the Leave side.

And I loved Tusk's comments about how us Leavers are hankering for 'Empire'. LOL. Especially given what Guy van Hofstadt said recently.

Surely the point of us leaving the EU is that we don't want to be part of an 'Empire'.

Let us hope for more interventions like this. All helpful.

Edited by Matov (14 Nov 2019 8.43am)

Yep, plus advertising of what Labour's conference voted for to be their policies in respect of immigration...This needs to be front and centre in all Labour's northern heartlands.

Maintain and extend free movement rights

Close all detention centres

End “no recourse to public funds” policies

Scrap all Hostile Environment measures… and restrictions on migrants’ NHS access

Extend equal rights to vote to all UK residents regardless of nationality

Oppose the current immigration legislation and any curbing of rights

Campaign for free movement, equality and rights for migrants

Reject any immigration system based on incomes, migrants’ utility to business, and number caps/targets

Ensure unconditional right to family reunion

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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chris123 hove actually 14 Nov 19 9.34am
Originally posted by Spiderman Have you visited London since he was Mayor? He improved the transport system no end (especially bus service) IMO But apart from the transport and buses, sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what has Boris ever done for us?
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chris123

hove actually 14 Nov 19 9.34am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Have you visited London since he was Mayor? He improved the transport system no end (especially bus service) IMO

But apart from the transport and buses, sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what has Boris ever done for us?

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Badger11 Beckenham 14 Nov 19 9.58am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yep, plus advertising of what Labour's conference voted for to be their policies in respect of immigration...This needs to be front and centre in all Labour's northern heartlands. Maintain and extend free movement rights Close all detention centres End “no recourse to public funds” policies Scrap all Hostile Environment measures… and restrictions on migrants’ NHS access Extend equal rights to vote to all UK residents regardless of nationality Oppose the current immigration legislation and any curbing of rights Campaign for free movement, equality and rights for migrants Reject any immigration system based on incomes, migrants’ utility to business, and number caps/targets Ensure unconditional right to family reunion Does anyone know how many other democratic western countries allow non citizens full voting rights? Most allow voting for local councils, the dog catcher etc. but I would be surprised if many allow votes in National elections? It's shameful gerrymandering if we are going to play that game then the Tories should bring back the extra business vote. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 14 Nov 19 9.58am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, plus advertising of what Labour's conference voted for to be their policies in respect of immigration...This needs to be front and centre in all Labour's northern heartlands.

Maintain and extend free movement rights

Close all detention centres

End “no recourse to public funds” policies

Scrap all Hostile Environment measures… and restrictions on migrants’ NHS access

Extend equal rights to vote to all UK residents regardless of nationality

Oppose the current immigration legislation and any curbing of rights

Campaign for free movement, equality and rights for migrants

Reject any immigration system based on incomes, migrants’ utility to business, and number caps/targets

Ensure unconditional right to family reunion

Does anyone know how many other democratic western countries allow non citizens full voting rights?

Most allow voting for local councils, the dog catcher etc. but I would be surprised if many allow votes in National elections?

It's shameful gerrymandering if we are going to play that game then the Tories should bring back the extra business vote.

One more point

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Midlands Eagle 14 Nov 19 10.11am
Originally posted by cryrst If labour get in power they will raise tax for the top 5% of earners. That will be from around 75k upwards. Then they will all naff off to foreign climes just like they did in the seventies when Labour thought that could tax people until the pips squeaked with some people expected to pay 98%
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Originally posted by cryrst

If labour get in power they will raise tax for the top 5% of earners.
That will be from around 75k upwards.

Then they will all naff off to foreign climes just like they did in the seventies when Labour thought that could tax people until the pips squeaked with some people expected to pay 98%

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Midlands Eagle 14 Nov 19 10.12am
Originally posted by Matov I loved Tusk's comments about how us Leavers are hankering for 'Empire'. LOL. Especially given what Guy van Hofstadt said recently. I thought that "Leavers" were trying to get away from the Empire
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Midlands Eagle

14 Nov 19 10.12am

Originally posted by Matov

I loved Tusk's comments about how us Leavers are hankering for 'Empire'. LOL. Especially given what Guy van Hofstadt said recently.

I thought that "Leavers" were trying to get away from the Empire

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