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Stirlingsays 27 Feb 21 8.51am | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
In 20 years time Christianity will be a minor faith in the UK and no doubt Sharia Law will have a strong foothold too. The future is not bright that’s for sure. Yep. The nihilists think that Islam will be tamed and controlled by consumerism just like Christianity was. I think they are wildly over optimistic.
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Mapletree Croydon 27 Feb 21 9.40am | |
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She was raised by her mother until her father joined them in the UK in 2007.[2] Begum's mother died, of cancer, in January 2014.[3] Her father remarried in September 2014, and Begum left for Syria in December 2014.[4] Begum's father, Mohammad Uddin, said that her behavior changed, she stopped listening to western music, and started going to her room to pray, but he assumed this was a simple grief reaction to her mother's death.[2][5] At the time of her father's second marriage she lived with her grandmother.[3] Members of her family were sure Begum was targeted for recruitment by a group, known as the "Sisters Forum", within the Islamic Forum of Europe, that met at an east London Mosque.[5][6][7] Women from the group that recruited her have been described as "brainwashing" her, telling her she would meet her recently deceased mother in paradise, if she died a martyr. Women from the group are reported to have taken her to the airport, for her departure.[5] Anyone read The Prime of Miss Jean Brody?
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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Feb 21 10.49am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep. The nihilists think that Islam will be tamed and controlled by consumerism just like Christianity was. I think they are wildly over optimistic. The apologists for Islam compare today's acts to the inquisition, corruption and down right hatred from the catholic church which in turn lead to the reformation and to the modern tolerant society. There is one small problem with this comparison, Islam had it's own reformation in the 14th century all questions and interpretations have been answered. Today there are no Islamic schools of scholars questioning the direction and meaning of the faith and the words of the prophet. So it is written so it shall be. Islamic aint changing.
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Spiderman Horsham 27 Feb 21 10.59am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
She was raised by her mother until her father joined them in the UK in 2007.[2] Begum's mother died, of cancer, in January 2014.[3] Her father remarried in September 2014, and Begum left for Syria in December 2014.[4] Begum's father, Mohammad Uddin, said that her behavior changed, she stopped listening to western music, and started going to her room to pray, but he assumed this was a simple grief reaction to her mother's death.[2][5] At the time of her father's second marriage she lived with her grandmother.[3] Members of her family were sure Begum was targeted for recruitment by a group, known as the "Sisters Forum", within the Islamic Forum of Europe, that met at an east London Mosque.[5][6][7] Women from the group that recruited her have been described as "brainwashing" her, telling her she would meet her recently deceased mother in paradise, if she died a martyr. Women from the group are reported to have taken her to the airport, for her departure.[5] Anyone read The Prime of Miss Jean Brody? She was still mature enough to leave on sisters passport ( an offence in its self), travel with 2 others across the whole of Europe, marry and produce children. Was she “brainwashed”, who knows that is a matter of opinion and we may never know. Funny how she didn’t want to return to the nasty UK until ISIS were done and dusted. Edited by Spiderman (27 Feb 2021 11.01am)
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steeleye20 Croydon 27 Feb 21 11.05am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
She was still mature enough to leave on sisters passport ( an offence in its self), travel with 2 others across the whole of Europe, marry and produce children. Was she “brainwashed”, who knows that is a matter of opinion and we may never know. Funny how she didn’t want to return to the nasty UK until ISIS were done and dusted. That is your opinion but what actual evidence do you have except your blatant prejudices. This girl is strong enough to go to court and be judged but the UK is morally bankrupt and does not believe in justice. Her life must be very difficult but she is in a better place.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 21 11.13am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
She isn't British in my eyes and she has no allegiance to Britain either....on the contrary she worked against it as its enemy. People who hold onto higher moralistic principles against their enemies never had to pick up broken bodies. Their positions are luxuries that are just taken advantage of and are perceived as weakness. If we banned people just because they aren't British in YOUR eyes there would be quite a lot of people looking for new homes. There are opinions and then there is the law. This is a matter of law. Which I am not qualified to comment on and appears difficult for those that are. I do though expect that politics and pragmatism mean that eventually a way will be found for her to be returned to the UK after her being made an example to others is thought to have lasted long enough.
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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Feb 21 11.17am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If we banned people just because they aren't British in YOUR eyes there would be quite a lot of people looking for new homes. There are opinions and then there is the law. This is a matter of law. Which I am not qualified to comment on and appears difficult for those that are. I do though expect that politics and pragmatism mean that eventually a way will be found for her to be returned to the UK after her being made an example to others is thought to have lasted long enough. That would be the Supreme Court who you lauded when they found against Boris. Edited by Badger11 (27 Feb 2021 11.18am)
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Spiderman Horsham 27 Feb 21 11.20am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
That is your opinion but what actual evidence do you have except your blatant prejudices. This girl is strong enough to go to court and be judged but the UK is morally bankrupt and does not believe in justice. Her life must be very difficult but she is in a better place.
Edited by Spiderman (27 Feb 2021 11.24am)
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Spiderman Horsham 27 Feb 21 11.21am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
That would be the Supreme Court who you lauded when they found against Boris. Edited by Badger11 (27 Feb 2021 11.18am) Exactly
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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Feb 21 11.28am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If we banned people just because they aren't British in YOUR eyes there would be quite a lot of people looking for new homes. There are opinions and then there is the law. This is a matter of law. Which I am not qualified to comment on and appears difficult for those that are. I do though expect that politics and pragmatism mean that eventually a way will be found for her to be returned to the UK after her being made an example to others is thought to have lasted long enough. She is banned because she joined a band of murderous religious nutcases who beheaded and tortured Westerners and then sent us videos of it. You actually want mercy and understanding? How much mercy would you show the Hitler youth? This girl is arrogant and corrupted. She cares not one iota for Britain or anything other than saving her own skin. She gets no second chance from me.
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jeeagles 27 Feb 21 11.29am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
She was raised by her mother until her father joined them in the UK in 2007.[2] Begum's mother died, of cancer, in January 2014.[3] Her father remarried in September 2014, and Begum left for Syria in December 2014.[4] Begum's father, Mohammad Uddin, said that her behavior changed, she stopped listening to western music, and started going to her room to pray, but he assumed this was a simple grief reaction to her mother's death.[2][5] At the time of her father's second marriage she lived with her grandmother.[3] Members of her family were sure Begum was targeted for recruitment by a group, known as the "Sisters Forum", within the Islamic Forum of Europe, that met at an east London Mosque.[5][6][7] Women from the group that recruited her have been described as "brainwashing" her, telling her she would meet her recently deceased mother in paradise, if she died a martyr. Women from the group are reported to have taken her to the airport, for her departure.[5] Anyone read The Prime of Miss Jean Brody? Cry me a river. Plenty of kids have difficult upbringing. They don't flee the country to join a terrorist cell. "Targeted for Brianwashing". You don't just stumble across extremist forums. More importantly, this isn't just about her. We can't continually set an example that just because people have had a rough time they get a free pass to do what ever they want. She defected to a hostile group that plans on killing innocent people. People cannot attempt to overthrow our society and legal system then use it to protect them when it suits their needs. Not letting her back in will deter other people from joining these groups and save lives. She's not worth risking other people's lives for.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 21 11.44am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
That would be the Supreme Court who you lauded when they found against Boris. Edited by Badger11 (27 Feb 2021 11.18am) I know. As they are the final arbiter their decision stands and is respected. The point though was that the lower courts seemed to take a different view and that there isn't a clear consensus on this. That wasn't the case when Johnson decided to overstep his authority with Parliament. It was legally wrong and, so far as I recall, no authoritative legal mind disagreed. Especially in the SC who were unanimous.
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