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BlueJay UK 29 Oct 20 3.56am
Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Mapletree stated that his mother died from muscular atrophy and neglect as I remember. (Neglect is a quite serious allegation, and I hope he makes a complaint and follows it through incidentally). I also seem to remember that he blamed Covid-19. Nobody challenged that properly in respect of the fact he had lost his mother. But he then used his late mother's death as a reason to shut down debate. My morals allow debate. Regardless of peoples emotions. Using someone's emotions to stifle debate is deplorable. I was making a simple point about showing compassion for others in the way that we refer to such a sad event. I found "People die, that's life." directed to someone going through this to be in bad taste. That is all. Edited by BlueJay (29 Oct 2020 11.53pm)
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UK 29 Oct 20 3.56am

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Mapletree stated that his mother died from muscular atrophy and neglect as I remember. (Neglect is a quite serious allegation, and I hope he makes a complaint and follows it through incidentally). I also seem to remember that he blamed Covid-19. Nobody challenged that properly in respect of the fact he had lost his mother. But he then used his late mother's death as a reason to shut down debate. My morals allow debate. Regardless of peoples emotions. Using someone's emotions to stifle debate is deplorable.

I was making a simple point about showing compassion for others in the way that we refer to such a sad event. I found "People die, that's life." directed to someone going through this to be in bad taste. That is all.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 29 Oct 20 4.11am
I cannot believe there was any political intention to create a virus like this, because it would be just so reckless. The effects have been devastating for individuals, families, livelihoods and the UK economy. For BJ to now say something along the lines of "we've got to start going back to work", is slightly at odds with the HoC still largely empty and MP's claiming their inflation-busting pay rise (and expenses). The disease and it's effects seem largely to impact the vulnerable, but is transmitted a-symptomatically by all the fit young people. Yesterday I saw my mum for only the second time this year, and a close family member was extremely lucky that their cancer treatment went ahead, in spite of the strain on the NHS. On a lower level, our local cinema is in financial crisis and asking for public donations. And as for a vaccine being available 'soon', i won't be going anywhere near it. Hastily done 'trials' of drugs don't inspire confidence, when typical time-frames for drug development are around 10 years. Just google "thalidomide", or "DDT" to see how bad some under-developed drugs have been. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (29 Oct 2020 4.17am) I disengage, I turn the page.
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I cannot believe there was any political intention to create a virus like this, because it would be just so reckless. The effects have been devastating for individuals, families, livelihoods and the UK economy.
For BJ to now say something along the lines of "we've got to start going back to work", is slightly at odds with the HoC still largely empty and MP's claiming their inflation-busting pay rise (and expenses).
The disease and it's effects seem largely to impact the vulnerable, but is transmitted a-symptomatically by all the fit young people.
Yesterday I saw my mum for only the second time this year, and a close family member was extremely lucky that their cancer treatment went ahead, in spite of the strain on the NHS. On a lower level, our local cinema is in financial crisis and asking for public donations.

And as for a vaccine being available 'soon', i won't be going anywhere near it. Hastily done 'trials' of drugs don't inspire confidence, when typical time-frames for drug development are around 10 years.
Just google "thalidomide", or "DDT" to see how bad some under-developed drugs have been.

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BlueJay UK 29 Oct 20 4.42am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Also, tech corporates don’t need to invent a pandemic (not that they could anyway) in order to gain even more control. That’s already well under way. Has been since the advent of social media. No conspiracy, just the inevitable conclusion of the current course playing out in plain sight. The social dilemma on Netflix is worth a watch. You never know, you might learn something useful. Isn't it just. The impact of social media on behaviour regardless of political stance is as ubiquitous as it is disturbing.
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UK 29 Oct 20 4.42am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Also, tech corporates don’t need to invent a pandemic (not that they could anyway) in order to gain even more control. That’s already well under way. Has been since the advent of social media. No conspiracy, just the inevitable conclusion of the current course playing out in plain sight. The social dilemma on Netflix is worth a watch. You never know, you might learn something useful.

Isn't it just. The impact of social media on behaviour regardless of political stance is as ubiquitous as it is disturbing.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Oct 20 8.18am
From what I am being told by friends, it is almost inevitable that we will follow Germany and France and impose another Lockdown, sooner rather than later.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Oct 20 8.18am

From what I am being told by friends, it is almost inevitable that we will follow Germany and France and impose another Lockdown, sooner rather than later.

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Mapletree Croydon 29 Oct 20 8.23am
Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 You have proof that it wasn't neglect? You did state lack of care, which suggests it. I apologise if I misunderstood what you posted. Neither of your mother's are unimportant. Why would you think that was my meaning? But you still want to make me feel guilt by implying that I made a distinction between two unrelated deaths. This is a much used ploy these days. Shame people. Question their morals. Condemn their ideals as immoral. And then cancel their right to reply. A fair debate in the eyes of the morally enlightened social warriors. How about cut out the emotions and debate the issues? There was neglect but the Coroner would not pursue it. It is politically unsound to critique Care Homes right now. Maybe you don’t notice that many of my posts contain quotes from research documents. It is risible to suggest I don’t debate on the facts. I cannot say you show much empathy. Mothers can be important to some people.
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Croydon 29 Oct 20 8.23am

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

You have proof that it wasn't neglect? You did state lack of care, which suggests it. I apologise if I misunderstood what you posted.

Neither of your mother's are unimportant. Why would you think that was my meaning? But you still want to make me feel guilt by implying that I made a distinction between two unrelated deaths. This is a much used ploy these days. Shame people. Question their morals. Condemn their ideals as immoral. And then cancel their right to reply. A fair debate in the eyes of the morally enlightened social warriors.

How about cut out the emotions and debate the issues?

There was neglect but the Coroner would not pursue it. It is politically unsound to critique Care Homes right now.

Maybe you don’t notice that many of my posts contain quotes from research documents. It is risible to suggest I don’t debate on the facts.

I cannot say you show much empathy. Mothers can be important to some people.

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Mapletree Croydon 29 Oct 20 8.25am
Originally posted by Willo From what I am being told by friends, it is almost inevitable that we will follow Germany and France and impose another Lockdown, sooner rather than later. No sh*t Sherlock. We are terribly late responding again. Within a week now I presume.
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Croydon 29 Oct 20 8.25am

Originally posted by Willo

From what I am being told by friends, it is almost inevitable that we will follow Germany and France and impose another Lockdown, sooner rather than later.

No sh*t Sherlock.

We are terribly late responding again. Within a week now I presume.

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Matov 29 Oct 20 8.27am
Originally posted by Willo From what I am being told by friends, it is almost inevitable that we will follow Germany and France and impose another Lockdown, sooner rather than later. It is but that is not the science. My understanding is that the right way to approach this is by essentially having 9 tiers of response. What is the logic in dealing with an upsurge in infections in the NW by closing down Cornwall? And even in the NW, it would be specific post-codes. Lockdowns are just political gestures that do untold long term damage to millions. If an area shows a spike then lock that down and enforce it. But the wider implications have to be taken into consideration. Outside of the over 60's, Covid is as deadly as normal influenza. Probably even less so on the very young. National Lockdowns are just hysteria now. Back at the start then yes but with a lot more known about the disease now along with ways of treating it, then they serve no other purpose than political posturing. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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29 Oct 20 8.27am

Originally posted by Willo

From what I am being told by friends, it is almost inevitable that we will follow Germany and France and impose another Lockdown, sooner rather than later.

It is but that is not the science. My understanding is that the right way to approach this is by essentially having 9 tiers of response. What is the logic in dealing with an upsurge in infections in the NW by closing down Cornwall?

And even in the NW, it would be specific post-codes.

Lockdowns are just political gestures that do untold long term damage to millions.

If an area shows a spike then lock that down and enforce it. But the wider implications have to be taken into consideration.

Outside of the over 60's, Covid is as deadly as normal influenza. Probably even less so on the very young.

National Lockdowns are just hysteria now. Back at the start then yes but with a lot more known about the disease now along with ways of treating it, then they serve no other purpose than political posturing.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Oct 20 8.34am
Originally posted by Matov It is but that is not the science. My understanding is that the right way to approach this is by essentially having 9 tiers of response. What is the logic in dealing with an upsurge in infections in the NW by closing down Cornwall? And even in the NW, it would be specific post-codes. Lockdowns are just political gestures that do untold long term damage to millions. If an area shows a spike then lock that down and enforce it. But the wider implications have to be taken into consideration. Outside of the over 60's, Covid is as deadly as normal influenza. Probably even less so on the very young. National Lockdowns are just hysteria now. Back at the start then yes but with a lot more known about the disease now along with ways of treating it, then they serve no other purpose than political posturing. Matov, I wholeheartedly agree with the general thrust of your comments. Some while ago, some professor stated that IF we impose another Lockdown we would have learned absolutely NOTHING.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Oct 20 8.34am

Originally posted by Matov

And even in the NW, it would be specific post-codes.

Lockdowns are just political gestures that do untold long term damage to millions.

If an area shows a spike then lock that down and enforce it. But the wider implications have to be taken into consideration.

Outside of the over 60's, Covid is as deadly as normal influenza. Probably even less so on the very young.

Matov, I wholeheartedly agree with the general thrust of your comments.

Some while ago, some professor stated that IF we impose another Lockdown we would have learned absolutely NOTHING.

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thegreatlardino crawley/selsey 29 Oct 20 9.25am
Why are the BBC et al talking up a national lockdown again, it seems to be lets all be in this together even though the majority of the south, south west and the east have very low levels, as for the doom mongering coming out from various SAGE members, we all should have it and be dead by now! Sometimes I set out for Ludlow Sometimes I end up in Chepstow
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Why are the BBC et al talking up a national lockdown again, it seems to be lets all be in this together even though the majority of the south, south west and the east have very low levels, as for the doom mongering coming out from various SAGE members, we all should have it and be dead by now!

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Sometimes I end up in Chepstow

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Oct 20 9.43am
Originally posted by Willo From what I am being told by friends, it is almost inevitable that we will follow Germany and France and impose another Lockdown, sooner rather than later. Don’t know how your friends are in the know but I concur that it looks that way. The lazy way. COYP
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Caterham 29 Oct 20 9.43am

Originally posted by Willo

From what I am being told by friends, it is almost inevitable that we will follow Germany and France and impose another Lockdown, sooner rather than later.

Don’t know how your friends are in the know but I concur that it looks that way. The lazy way.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Oct 20 9.46am
Originally posted by Willo Matov, I wholeheartedly agree with the general thrust of your comments. Some while ago, some professor stated that IF we impose another Lockdown we would have learned absolutely NOTHING. #Metoo I feel like our lives have been fiddled with as well. COYP
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Caterham 29 Oct 20 9.46am

Originally posted by Willo

Matov, I wholeheartedly agree with the general thrust of your comments.

Some while ago, some professor stated that IF we impose another Lockdown we would have learned absolutely NOTHING.

#Metoo
I feel like our lives have been fiddled with as well.

COYP

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Matov 29 Oct 20 9.54am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Don’t know how your friends are in the know but I concur that it looks that way. The lazy way. Beyond lazy. Dangerous. It is the equivilent of trying to put out a blaze in a kitchen with a fire-plane. You might extinguish the flames but you also wreck the entire house and damage the ones either side as well. Intensive local lockdowns, severe punishments for people who refuse to comply and try and keep the rest of the country at least functioning on some level. If they declare another national lockdown then we all need to be up in arms about it. Wear masks, that I get. But to essentially freeze the entire country once more? Lunacy. They did it back at the start for a reason. Erring on the side of caution. But now we know so much more about the virus it is a ludicrous and utterly irresponsible response. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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29 Oct 20 9.54am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Don’t know how your friends are in the know but I concur that it looks that way. The lazy way.

Beyond lazy. Dangerous. It is the equivilent of trying to put out a blaze in a kitchen with a fire-plane. You might extinguish the flames but you also wreck the entire house and damage the ones either side as well.

Intensive local lockdowns, severe punishments for people who refuse to comply and try and keep the rest of the country at least functioning on some level. If they declare another national lockdown then we all need to be up in arms about it.

Wear masks, that I get. But to essentially freeze the entire country once more? Lunacy. They did it back at the start for a reason. Erring on the side of caution. But now we know so much more about the virus it is a ludicrous and utterly irresponsible response.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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