I'm sure you're bang on the money when extrapolating from that small sample into such a sweeping generalisation.

I was born and bred working class, left school at 16 to get an entry level job with 3 o levels, worked bloody hard, got more qualifications, have been an educator and am now finally lucky enough to be a middle class city type earning middle class money. Am I now a champagne socialist by your logic?

Shepherd Neame socialist perhaps.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

Allow me to make that small correction for you :-)

Plenty of it on both sides of the debate on this site.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

And she is speaking from the head as well as her heart. What has happened to her in a few short months?

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Thing is she is talking about remaining to lead and influence the EU's decisions and that's how we'll benefit and prosper and mould it into how we want it. Oh yes of course. Why didn't anyone else think of that. The EU decides by huddling together and gradually grinding down the objectors. Britain is not and never would've been a leader in the EU.

She also doesn't say we'd suffer as a small nation outside of the EU, but we'd be successful. She's said we'd be better off in, but how much is that sticking with who she thought would be the winning team? Ironic from this that Kermit and Nick trust what she says and I, intended up this week to vote Tory, cannot take anything she says sincerely at the moment.

So we'd be better off inside if we lead the EU, but we'd also be successful outside because we're the 6th biggest trader. So she's made the decision to stay, but that'd also require us to lead, which we cannot, or are not allowed to. She's ignored all opinion, the logic staring her in the face and is an opportunistic fence sitter. More reason to not really trust her and why the current waste of an opposition might be very damaging.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (05 May 2017 11.17pm)

COYP

She isn't a c. At the moment she's turning slowly into a frustrating person you have to follow, or don't want to follow, or want to follow but cannot because you don't know what it is you're following or why. Quite odd really, and I'm not referring to Brexit because I think some confidentiality within no 10 to get a good deal is wise.

I'm talking about Britain. Just what are any of her plans? Manifesto as late as possible. Any bills reversed a week after announced because their own party or voters object or they'll just damage the country beyond doubt.

The speech is certainly analytically well balanced but she arrives at a decision based on us leading within the EU. That's something out of the question, and that's largely why we are where we are for a lot of people. It's as annoying the few times I've heard people call up the Wright Stuff and Matthew shout brexiters down by saying it is democratic and we do get a say and it is fair. We get about 7% of the vote is it, and the results are decided before you have a chance to make a dent in the vote.

She was fence sitting. Better off in the EU if we lead. We can't.

We'll be successful out but not as much as above. We're 6th strongest in the world so no worries.

She played a good game which is again a concern. Labour are so sh1t now it's easy for her.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (05 May 2017 11.23pm)

COYP

Labour being unable to tackle the subject of the Brexit and avoiding it at all costs is what's making her strong and her position stable. You have Labour never mentioning Brexit. Their remainer MPs can't back or talk positively about it and Corbyn can't or more likely hasn't tried to get them to. This is their best chance of challenge but won't.

Tories on the other hand mention nothing else, which is annoying me, and I doubt it'll change to anythng like the Labour balance of Brexit/manifesto once the Tory manifesto is published. But that is what is what people are responding to, so it's like the student vs the industry professionals.

Talking Brexit is Labour's only chance, but the remoaner MPs won't so they're as to blame as Corbyn.

The next nail in their coffin will be when Corbyn tries to change labour leadership election rules to get a smarter looking and sounding socialist leader which will extend May's premiership to 2027 and beyond with no credible opposition for a decade+.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (06 May 2017 9.13am)

COYP