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Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Dec 20 12.37pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Belmont

Did you fully read what he said or are you just ignoring the 'not used' bit

Prior to the 1950s who would it have been applied to? In my memory it was the first term dropped since it was considered offensive.

 

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glazedallover Flag Allier 10 Dec 20 12.38pm Send a Private Message to glazedallover Add glazedallover as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Do you think Barnes Wallis called his dog that name, as an insult to a race or because his dog happened to be a certain colour? Perhaps he should be erased from our history


it wasn't Barnes Wallis' dog. It was Guy Gibson's.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Dec 20 12.40pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Belmont

So was I dude and you are seriously saying that it wasn't used as a racial slur.

You have to understand that no one cared about political correctness back then. There was common decency and politeness but language very different. The use of that word was quite common,especially among oldr people, and mostly about description. I'm sure it must have been used as an insult too but not in my world.

Obviously, you only have to watch old TV shows like Love thy neighbour to hear that there were a whole range of other 'colourful' descriptions for Black people but no one got too excited about it. Obviously we live in different times now and no one sensible wants to go back to insulting name calling.

I only ever hear Black people doing it on TV nowadays and for some reason that seems to be OK.

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 10 Dec 20 12.44pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by glazedallover


it wasn't Barnes Wallis' dog. It was Guy Gibson's.

Apologies. Wallis’s place in the history books is safe for now

Edited by Spiderman (10 Dec 2020 12.46pm)

Edited by Spiderman (10 Dec 2020 12.47pm)

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 10 Dec 20 12.52pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You have to understand that no one cared about political correctness back then. There was common decency and politeness but language very different. The use of that word was quite common,especially among oldr people, and mostly about description. I'm sure it must have been used as an insult too but not in my world.

Obviously, you only have to watch old TV shows like Love thy neighbour to hear that there were a whole range of other 'colourful' descriptions for Black people but no one got too excited about it. Obviously we live in different times now and no one sensible wants to go back to insulting name calling.

I only ever hear Black people doing it on TV nowadays and for some reason that seems to be OK.

My 90 year old mother-in-law, who I have never heard utter even as much as a swear word, had a dog in the 1930s called n. Nothing malicious intended just a name due to its colour.
My kids were gobsmacked earlier this year when, she was reminiscing, she said “ I don’t suppose you can call a dog n now.”
Just an age thing. Of course it is now always seen as a racial slur but early 20th century it wasn’t always seen as such

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Dec 20 1.16pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

My 90 year old mother-in-law, who I have never heard utter even as much as a swear word, had a dog in the 1930s called n. Nothing malicious intended just a name due to its colour.
My kids were gobsmacked earlier this year when, she was reminiscing, she said “ I don’t suppose you can call a dog n now.”
Just an age thing. Of course it is now always seen as a racial slur but early 20th century it wasn’t always seen as such

I was reading an old newspaper from 1955 the other day where I notice that a racing greyhound was called Black N.....
My grandmother used to buy brown wool and ask for it using the N word. No one cared because 99.9% of us were White back then.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Dec 2020 1.20pm)

 

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Belmont Flag 10 Dec 20 1.31pm Send a Private Message to Belmont Add Belmont as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I was reading an old newspaper from 1955 the other day where I notice that a racing greyhound was called Black N.....
My grandmother used to buy brown wool and ask for it using the N word. No one cared because 99.9% of us were White back then.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Dec 2020 1.20pm)

Maybe not in your insular world but my father certainly cared after fighting in the second world and as did his brother who fought in the first world war who were then treated as far less than equal and had that word used against them.

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Dec 20 1.55pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Belmont

Maybe not in your insular world but my father certainly cared after fighting in the second world and as did his brother who fought in the first world war who were then treated as far less than equal and had that word used against them.

Ok Belmont, is it still going on a lot now, do footballers need to tell us? Great respect for your kin. All of my family have always served too.

 


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Belmont Flag 10 Dec 20 2.11pm Send a Private Message to Belmont Add Belmont as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Ok Belmont, is it still going on a lot now, do footballers need to tell us? Great respect for your kin. All of my family have always served too.

In the same openly racist way as it was in the days of my father and uncle and when I was growing up no, but yes things still go on a lot now but I'm not going to waste my time explaining what I mean by that as I tried to do that before on these boards and I was told I was wrong in not so any words.

But some posters on here seem to think if they can't see if happening it can't be.

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 10 Dec 20 2.12pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Belmont

Maybe not in your insular world but my father certainly cared after fighting in the second world and as did his brother who fought in the first world war who were then treated as far less than equal and had that word used against them.

Kudos to your relatives Belmont. I have no doubt the term was used against them in a derogatory manner. My point was that, in years gone by, the term could be used in other situations not just as a slur. I was in no way trying to imply it has never been derogatory

 

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CrazyBadger Flag Ware 10 Dec 20 2.25pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by madcap_v2

There's no good reason for anyone to use that word. I find it abhorant but, if you can't see the difference in impact of it being thrown around by black people, in the direction of no one, compared to being used by white people as a derogatory term towards black people, you're a moron.

What about Eminem? He's white and uses it all the time.

As a white person,If I find the n word offensive for any reason, and in any context, (which I nearly always do) then why isn't the offender castigated for using it? just because they're black, so are allowed?

Isn't that the very definition of racism; treating someone different based on The colour of their skin?

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Dec 20 3.10pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Yesterday, I turned on Sky Sports News, it was a speech about racism in football. Today, turned on Sky Sports News it was a piece on racism in football. Both times I immediately turned it off. It's not educating me - I have gone to football for forty years. I'm going to work out how to remove it from my channel list. Goodbye Jeff Stelling.
Viewing figures must be sh1t.

 


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