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Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Nov 18 6.32pm
Originally posted by Laths Try 10 years plus, according to a planner in Croydon Council, may never get off ground. Which is why the HF are doing it now rather than ‘waiting 2-3 years.’ Did the club (Parish) day why don’t they wait in the club statement? That didn’t hold it they did., COYP
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Caterham 13 Nov 18 6.32pm

Originally posted by Laths

Try 10 years plus, according to a planner in Croydon Council, may never get off ground.

Which is why the HF are doing it now rather than ‘waiting 2-3 years.’

Did the club (Parish) day why don’t they wait in the club statement? That didn’t hold it they did.,

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Midlands Eagle 13 Nov 18 7.17pm
Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig This is the debate, right: Those saying the club should accommodate the singing section: --will improve atmosphere --there are greater injustices in the world --it's the club's prerogative Those saying the club shouldn't accommodate the singing section: --it unfairly places one group of fans over another --the atmosphere isn't being too impacted --it penalises some of our most loyal fans --it will hugely disrupt the wider LH --it rewards the HF for withholding their vocal support and threatening the club --the HF coukd just have waited until the old stand is expanded what points, in very simple language, did I miss? You missed the fact that we already had a singing section but the "singers" decided that they didn't want that bit of real estate any more and wanted to move
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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

This is the debate, right:

Those saying the club should accommodate the singing section:
--will improve atmosphere
--there are greater injustices in the world
--it's the club's prerogative

Those saying the club shouldn't accommodate the singing section:
--it unfairly places one group of fans over another
--the atmosphere isn't being too impacted
--it penalises some of our most loyal fans
--it will hugely disrupt the wider LH
--it rewards the HF for withholding their vocal support and threatening the club
--the HF coukd just have waited until the old stand is expanded

what points, in very simple language, did I miss?

You missed the fact that we already had a singing section but the "singers" decided that they didn't want that bit of real estate any more and wanted to move

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Nov 18 7.56pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle You missed the fact that we already had a singing section but the "singers" decided that they didn't want that bit of real estate any more and wanted to move No room to grow and the atmosphere was declining in the area they were in and couldn’t get more vocal people in. The club could’ve addressed this by filling in the corner until the new stand is ready in 2-3...... 10+ years time. COYP
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Caterham 13 Nov 18 7.56pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

You missed the fact that we already had a singing section but the "singers" decided that they didn't want that bit of real estate any more and wanted to move

No room to grow and the atmosphere was declining in the area they were in and couldn’t get more vocal people in. The club could’ve addressed this by filling in the corner until the new stand is ready in 2-3...... 10+ years time.

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Palace in the Blood 13 Nov 18 8.46pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman No room to grow and the atmosphere was declining in the area they were in and couldn’t get more vocal people in. The club could’ve addressed this by filling in the corner until the new stand is ready in 2-3...... 10+ years time. I would change 1 word "could've" to should have. There is no real idea of the demand for the singing section as a result of the clubs failure to fully ascertain the views of existing season ticket holders. The Club has allocated 400 seats to the section is that too many or too few? Keeping the singing section in the corner had all sorts of benefits not least it affects fewer season tickets and is far less likely to upset authorities. I think if this dispute had never happened the new stand would be now far more advanced. The authorities will now wait to see how the club manages the regulations before allowing it to move forward
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
No room to grow and the atmosphere was declining in the area they were in and couldn’t get more vocal people in. The club could’ve addressed this by filling in the corner until the new stand is ready in 2-3...... 10+ years time.

I would change 1 word "could've" to should have.

There is no real idea of the demand for the singing section as a result of the clubs failure to fully ascertain the views of existing season ticket holders. The Club has allocated 400 seats to the section is that too many or too few? Keeping the singing section in the corner had all sorts of benefits not least it affects fewer season tickets and is far less likely to upset authorities.

I think if this dispute had never happened the new stand would be now far more advanced. The authorities will now wait to see how the club manages the regulations before allowing it to move forward

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Nov 18 9.28pm
Originally posted by Palace in the Blood I would change 1 word "could've" to should have. There is no real idea of the demand for the singing section as a result of the clubs failure to fully ascertain the views of existing season ticket holders. The Club has allocated 400 seats to the section is that too many or too few? Keeping the singing section in the corner had all sorts of benefits not least it affects fewer season tickets and is far less likely to upset authorities. I think if this dispute had never happened the new stand would be now far more advanced. The authorities will now wait to see how the club manages the regulations before allowing it to move forward I doubt it makes the slight slightest bit of difference to date. COYP
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Caterham 13 Nov 18 9.28pm

Originally posted by Palace in the Blood

I would change 1 word "could've" to should have.

I think if this dispute had never happened the new stand would be now far more advanced. The authorities will now wait to see how the club manages the regulations before allowing it to move forward

I doubt it makes the slight slightest bit of difference to date.

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rach_cpfc South Croydon 13 Nov 18 10.02pm
A genuine question- has anyone who is NOT effected contacted the club to let them know whether they support or oppose the proposed way of going ahead with the singing section? "....They will soar on wings like EAGLES; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint."
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South Croydon 13 Nov 18 10.02pm

A genuine question- has anyone who is NOT effected contacted the club to let them know whether they support or oppose the proposed way of going ahead with the singing section?

"....They will soar on wings like EAGLES; they will run and not grow
weary, they will walk and not be faint."

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Goal Machine The Cronx 13 Nov 18 10.12pm
Originally posted by rach_cpfc A genuine question- has anyone who is NOT effected contacted the club to let them know whether they support or oppose the proposed way of going ahead with the singing section? Yes, I have. I’ve registered my interest to try and get a ST in the new section and have congratulated them on the decision. No response though.
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The Cronx 13 Nov 18 10.12pm

Originally posted by rach_cpfc

A genuine question- has anyone who is NOT effected contacted the club to let them know whether they support or oppose the proposed way of going ahead with the singing section?

Yes, I have. I’ve registered my interest to try and get a ST in the new section and have congratulated them on the decision. No response though.

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Jamesey Wandsworth 13 Nov 18 11.57pm
Originally posted by rach_cpfc A genuine question- has anyone who is NOT effected contacted the club to let them know whether they support or oppose the proposed way of going ahead with the singing section? Yes, I will be attending a forum next Tuesday with my friend "Wilf King" who is an affected Block E season ticket holder. I am an Arthur Wait season holder but feel strongly that the club have acted appallingly, without going into all the stuff on the last 60-odd pages on this issue. I am only speaking unofficially here but from what I am told by some Block E "evictees" they feel it is a done deal but they might as well shout loudly and try to get as good a compensation package as possible. Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious
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Wandsworth 13 Nov 18 11.57pm

Originally posted by rach_cpfc

A genuine question- has anyone who is NOT effected contacted the club to let them know whether they support or oppose the proposed way of going ahead with the singing section?

Yes, I will be attending a forum next Tuesday with my friend "Wilf King" who is an affected Block E season ticket holder.

I am an Arthur Wait season holder but feel strongly that the club have acted appallingly, without going into all the stuff on the last 60-odd pages on this issue.

I am only speaking unofficially here but from what I am told by some Block E "evictees" they feel it is a done deal but they might as well shout loudly and try to get as good a compensation package as possible.

Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 14 Nov 18 6.45am
I've edited this to include some responses. This is the debate, right: Those saying the club should accommodate the singing section: --will improve atmosphere --there are greater injustices in the world -- the HF needed room to grow --it's the club's prerogative Those saying the club shouldn't accommodate the singing section: --it unfairly places one group of fans, often younger, over another, often older --the atmosphere isn't being too impacted --it penalises some of our most loyal fans --it will hugely disrupt the wider LH --it rewards the HF for withholding their vocal support and threatening the club --the HF had a singing section and could just have waited until the old stand is expanded to relocate what points, in very simple language, did I miss? If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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I've edited this to include some responses.

This is the debate, right:

Those saying the club should accommodate the singing section:
--will improve atmosphere
--there are greater injustices in the world
-- the HF needed room to grow
--it's the club's prerogative

Those saying the club shouldn't accommodate the singing section:
--it unfairly places one group of fans, often younger, over another, often older
--the atmosphere isn't being too impacted
--it penalises some of our most loyal fans
--it will hugely disrupt the wider LH
--it rewards the HF for withholding their vocal support and threatening the club
--the HF had a singing section and could just have waited until the old stand is expanded to relocate

what points, in very simple language, did I miss?

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Nov 18 7.41am
Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig what points, in very simple language, did I miss? Why don’t they wait for the new stand in 2-3 years vs it could years and years away. 10 years? Edited by Rudi Hedman (14 Nov 2018 7.47am) COYP
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Caterham 14 Nov 18 7.41am

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

what points, in very simple language, did I miss?

Why don’t they wait for the new stand in 2-3 years vs it could years and years away. 10 years?

Edited by Rudi Hedman (14 Nov 2018 7.47am)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Nov 18 7.46am
Originally posted by Jamesey Yes, I will be attending a forum next Tuesday with my friend "Wilf King" who is an affected Block E season ticket holder. I am an Arthur Wait season holder but feel strongly that the club have acted appallingly, without going into all the stuff on the last 60-odd pages on this issue. I am only speaking unofficially here but from what I am told by some Block E "evictees" they feel it is a done deal but they might as well shout loudly and try to get as good a compensation package as possible. Yep. I wonder if Parish stumps up the £250k Scudamore payment from club funds. That’ll hurt him too. Nearly £50,000, 18% is his. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 14 Nov 18 7.46am

Originally posted by Jamesey

Yes, I will be attending a forum next Tuesday with my friend "Wilf King" who is an affected Block E season ticket holder.

I am an Arthur Wait season holder but feel strongly that the club have acted appallingly, without going into all the stuff on the last 60-odd pages on this issue.

Yep. I wonder if Parish stumps up the £250k Scudamore payment from club funds. That’ll hurt him too. Nearly £50,000, 18% is his.

COYP

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BuckinghamshireEagle 14 Nov 18 8.18am
Originally posted by rach_cpfc A genuine question- has anyone who is NOT effected contacted the club to let them know whether they support or oppose the proposed way of going ahead with the singing section? Yes, I wrote to say I thought the way they are going about this is against the whole ethos of the club. I’m pretty sure my letter was not even read as in reply I only received the standard email that the E400 got saying I would be invited to an open day, though I made it clear I was not affected! Edited by BuckinghamshireEagle (14 Nov 2018 8.19am)
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Originally posted by rach_cpfc

A genuine question- has anyone who is NOT effected contacted the club to let them know whether they support or oppose the proposed way of going ahead with the singing section?

Yes, I wrote to say I thought the way they are going about this is against the whole ethos of the club. I’m pretty sure my letter was not even read as in reply I only received the standard email that the E400 got saying I would be invited to an open day, though I made it clear I was not affected!

Edited by BuckinghamshireEagle (14 Nov 2018 8.19am)

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