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Annnnnyway. Back to the migrants in Calais; Whilst I freely admit that some of the immigrant hoard, swarm, call it what you will, are genuine cases, why did they not stop in the first safe country they came to? This question has not been answered by the left of arc. Next thing, I take it the left are not so arrogant as to believe that all are deserving cases, and that the bonhomie of benefit tourists do actually exist ? What do the left believe should be done with immigrants that rock up from countries that are not at war, not being persecuted, and just fancy some free housing and dosh ? lastly what the do the left feel about eastern European migrants who come here to work, get a E1-11 card, then jog on back to Romania have there medical treatment done over there privately costing thousands and then the NHS gets charged ? I have posed straight forward questions, that don't require long winded t***twaffle. Just questions that require an honest answer. Is mine the only computer that showed these questions? All very good ones Danny and I thought at least one of them deserved an answer.
None of the others acknowledged or addressed my concerns and it will probably be the same here.
The current government's approach, whilst it has steadied the ship in the short term has only really papered over the cracks; a lot of the recovery has been because of the non-stop rise in house prices, fuelled by the lack of supply. All the while there's little to no investment in roads/schools/housing/hospitals then we will struggle. I know it's a common view that "there's no space" however there was a study from the John Smith institute recently (I'll try and find it) which estimated that about a million new homes could be built on 3.4% of the green belt. I know we need to keep this country green and pleasant etc. etc. however that's a bloody lot of houses for not much sacrifice. I apologise profusely for a sensible post. Edited by DanH (12 Aug 2015 10.54am)
A million new homes would need schools, shops, Dr's surgeries, hospitals, roads, etc.... would you build on more of the green belt for these too?
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Keep building those machine guns though A very reasonable piece of journalism that will no doubt be savaged for being from the Independent by rabid right. But it seemed fairly balanced to me (i.e. looking beyond the hyperbole at the problem).
It's like me saying all left leaning Holers wear sandals, read the Grauniad, eat Tofu, and live in a Yurt in Islington. Jamie, your letting your usual balanced posting become ever more influenced by all things Diane Abbott. As an aside did you see the twitter ravings of that self important hypocritical pig the other day ? you talk about hyperbole, she wrote the book on it. Loathsome woman. For me rabid right are those who would reject something out of hand, without assessing it. There is looney left as well. Its a reasonable piece, in that it discusses the claim and presents a counter point and explanation and refutations. It doesn't say there isn't a problem, but that maybe the problem is overstated, how the problem occurred, how singular events aren't evidenced and how the situation maybe be exaggerated for political reasons, whilst still stating there is a problem. A mile away from the 'Sky is Falling, End of Civilisation' approach of the Tabloid media. For example that the reason that there has been a massive increase in those targeting the tunnels, stems from the security measures implemented elsewhere. In previous posts on this thread you have stated that you agree that there should be immigration controls. Why do you think we need such controls and what problems would we face without them?
Then I refer you to my reply. Only very stupid people would think that no immigration controls would be advisable, or that anyone here thinks that. I agree that only very stupid people would think that no immigration controls would be advisable. What I would like to know from the left on here is why they think we need such controls and what problems would we face without them? If you have answered that I must have missed it. If you could point me to which of the 62 pages evasions it is on I would be grateful. For the same reasons as anyone else would reasonably believe in any form of control, to regulate the potential for becoming a problem socially or economically. Same reason regulation exists for all systems, its a means of control towards a norm of stability. I've long been a critic of EU working migration, but not the migrants, even before it was popular, not because I don't like our European fellows, but that it undermined the position of the UK working class, and negated the responsibility of the state to engage in getting people into employment, by allowing a cheap migrant labour to be used, that ultimately served to keep wages artificially low for citizens of the UK.
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Annnnnyway. Back to the migrants in Calais; Whilst I freely admit that some of the immigrant hoard, swarm, call it what you will, are genuine cases, why did they not stop in the first safe country they came to? This question has not been answered by the left of arc. Next thing, I take it the left are not so arrogant as to believe that all are deserving cases, and that the bonhomie of benefit tourists do actually exist ? What do the left believe should be done with immigrants that rock up from countries that are not at war, not being persecuted, and just fancy some free housing and dosh ? lastly what the do the left feel about eastern European migrants who come here to work, get a E1-11 card, then jog on back to Romania have there medical treatment done over there privately costing thousands and then the NHS gets charged ? I have posed straight forward questions, that don't require long winded t***twaffle. Just questions that require an honest answer. Is mine the only computer that showed these questions? All very good ones Danny and I thought at least one of them deserved an answer.
None of the others acknowledged or addressed my concerns and it will probably be the same here.
The current government's approach, whilst it has steadied the ship in the short term has only really papered over the cracks; a lot of the recovery has been because of the non-stop rise in house prices, fuelled by the lack of supply. All the while there's little to no investment in roads/schools/housing/hospitals then we will struggle. I know it's a common view that "there's no space" however there was a study from the Adam Smith institute recently (I'll try and find it) which estimated that about a million new homes could be built on 3.4% of the green belt. I know we need to keep this country green and pleasant etc. etc. however that's a bloody lot of houses for not much sacrifice. I apologise profusely for a sensible post. Edited by DanH (12 Aug 2015 10.54am)
A million new homes would need schools, shops, Dr's surgeries, hospitals, roads, etc.... would you build on more of the green belt for these too?
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Annnnnyway. Back to the migrants in Calais; Whilst I freely admit that some of the immigrant hoard, swarm, call it what you will, are genuine cases, why did they not stop in the first safe country they came to? This question has not been answered by the left of arc. Next thing, I take it the left are not so arrogant as to believe that all are deserving cases, and that the bonhomie of benefit tourists do actually exist ? What do the left believe should be done with immigrants that rock up from countries that are not at war, not being persecuted, and just fancy some free housing and dosh ? lastly what the do the left feel about eastern European migrants who come here to work, get a E1-11 card, then jog on back to Romania have there medical treatment done over there privately costing thousands and then the NHS gets charged ? I have posed straight forward questions, that don't require long winded t***twaffle. Just questions that require an honest answer. Is mine the only computer that showed these questions? All very good ones Danny and I thought at least one of them deserved an answer.
None of the others acknowledged or addressed my concerns and it will probably be the same here.
The current government's approach, whilst it has steadied the ship in the short term has only really papered over the cracks; a lot of the recovery has been because of the non-stop rise in house prices, fuelled by the lack of supply. All the while there's little to no investment in roads/schools/housing/hospitals then we will struggle. I know it's a common view that "there's no space" however there was a study from the John Smith institute recently (I'll try and find it) which estimated that about a million new homes could be built on 3.4% of the green belt. I know we need to keep this country green and pleasant etc. etc. however that's a bloody lot of houses for not much sacrifice. I apologise profusely for a sensible post. Edited by DanH (12 Aug 2015 10.54am)
A million new homes would need schools, shops, Dr's surgeries, hospitals, roads, etc.... would you build on more of the green belt for these too?
Building property just to sell it, is a self defeating solution, a temporary fix. There is no easy fix, the problem is the ideology of 'owning your own home', and the use of property as a means of investment and profit, rather than as homes and accommodation. I see no real solution to a problem that has resulted in people spending 50-75% of their income, in some parts of the country, on rent or mortgages. The state's failure to address a rising problem, due to it being an unpopular stance, has created a monumental problem in terms of the provision of accommodation in the UK. Again the failure to regulate an 'industry' has led to it being a problem far in excess of any solution that is not going to be damaging either to landlords, private owners, or private tennants. A problem of modern, post industrial society, we have shifted from the idea of the collective social good, to the idea of the individual personal good.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Aug 15 11.27am |
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Annnnnyway. Back to the migrants in Calais; Whilst I freely admit that some of the immigrant hoard, swarm, call it what you will, are genuine cases, why did they not stop in the first safe country they came to? This question has not been answered by the left of arc. Next thing, I take it the left are not so arrogant as to believe that all are deserving cases, and that the bonhomie of benefit tourists do actually exist ? What do the left believe should be done with immigrants that rock up from countries that are not at war, not being persecuted, and just fancy some free housing and dosh ? lastly what the do the left feel about eastern European migrants who come here to work, get a E1-11 card, then jog on back to Romania have there medical treatment done over there privately costing thousands and then the NHS gets charged ? I have posed straight forward questions, that don't require long winded t***twaffle. Just questions that require an honest answer. Is mine the only computer that showed these questions? All very good ones Danny and I thought at least one of them deserved an answer.
None of the others acknowledged or addressed my concerns and it will probably be the same here.
The current government's approach, whilst it has steadied the ship in the short term has only really papered over the cracks; a lot of the recovery has been because of the non-stop rise in house prices, fuelled by the lack of supply. All the while there's little to no investment in roads/schools/housing/hospitals then we will struggle. I know it's a common view that "there's no space" however there was a study from the John Smith institute recently (I'll try and find it) which estimated that about a million new homes could be built on 3.4% of the green belt. I know we need to keep this country green and pleasant etc. etc. however that's a bloody lot of houses for not much sacrifice. I apologise profusely for a sensible post. Edited by DanH (12 Aug 2015 10.54am)
A million new homes would need schools, shops, Dr's surgeries, hospitals, roads, etc.... would you build on more of the green belt for these too?
Building property just to sell it, is a self defeating solution, a temporary fix. There is no easy fix, the problem is the ideology of 'owning your own home', and the use of property as a means of investment and profit, rather than as homes and accommodation. I see no real solution to a problem that has resulted in people spending 50-75% of their income, in some parts of the country, on rent or mortgages. The state's failure to address a rising problem, due to it being an unpopular stance, has created a monumental problem in terms of the provision of accommodation in the UK. Again the failure to regulate an 'industry' has led to it being a problem far in excess of any solution that is not going to be damaging either to landlords, private owners, or private tennants. A problem of modern, post industrial society, we have shifted from the idea of the collective social good, to the idea of the individual personal good. Is that why average price houses are somewhere near 8x average income?
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The danger of unregulated free market economies, is that they result in the erosion of individuals freedoms due to the necessity of accumulating excessive debts in order to function or compete in society, and in doing so they become increasingly tied to the necessity to service debts. When you consider the cost of food, utilities, rent/mortgage, many people are probably spending 50-75% of what they own on just facilitating necessities of life (shelter, food, water, warmth, hygiene and clothing). Some its probably closer to 90-95%.
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Annnnnyway. Back to the migrants in Calais; Whilst I freely admit that some of the immigrant hoard, swarm, call it what you will, are genuine cases, why did they not stop in the first safe country they came to? This question has not been answered by the left of arc. Next thing, I take it the left are not so arrogant as to believe that all are deserving cases, and that the bonhomie of benefit tourists do actually exist ? What do the left believe should be done with immigrants that rock up from countries that are not at war, not being persecuted, and just fancy some free housing and dosh ? lastly what the do the left feel about eastern European migrants who come here to work, get a E1-11 card, then jog on back to Romania have there medical treatment done over there privately costing thousands and then the NHS gets charged ? I have posed straight forward questions, that don't require long winded t***twaffle. Just questions that require an honest answer. Is mine the only computer that showed these questions? All very good ones Danny and I thought at least one of them deserved an answer.
None of the others acknowledged or addressed my concerns and it will probably be the same here.
The current government's approach, whilst it has steadied the ship in the short term has only really papered over the cracks; a lot of the recovery has been because of the non-stop rise in house prices, fuelled by the lack of supply. All the while there's little to no investment in roads/schools/housing/hospitals then we will struggle. I know it's a common view that "there's no space" however there was a study from the Adam Smith institute recently (I'll try and find it) which estimated that about a million new homes could be built on 3.4% of the green belt. I know we need to keep this country green and pleasant etc. etc. however that's a bloody lot of houses for not much sacrifice. I apologise profusely for a sensible post. Edited by DanH (12 Aug 2015 10.54am)
A million new homes would need schools, shops, Dr's surgeries, hospitals, roads, etc.... would you build on more of the green belt for these too?
nickgusset's suggestion to use-up properties lying empty, and brown field sites would ease matters for housing, but won't address the lack of schools, Dr's surgeries or hospitals.
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Annnnnyway. Back to the migrants in Calais; Whilst I freely admit that some of the immigrant hoard, swarm, call it what you will, are genuine cases, why did they not stop in the first safe country they came to? This question has not been answered by the left of arc. Next thing, I take it the left are not so arrogant as to believe that all are deserving cases, and that the bonhomie of benefit tourists do actually exist ? What do the left believe should be done with immigrants that rock up from countries that are not at war, not being persecuted, and just fancy some free housing and dosh ? lastly what the do the left feel about eastern European migrants who come here to work, get a E1-11 card, then jog on back to Romania have there medical treatment done over there privately costing thousands and then the NHS gets charged ? I have posed straight forward questions, that don't require long winded t***twaffle. Just questions that require an honest answer. Is mine the only computer that showed these questions? All very good ones Danny and I thought at least one of them deserved an answer.
None of the others acknowledged or addressed my concerns and it will probably be the same here.
The current government's approach, whilst it has steadied the ship in the short term has only really papered over the cracks; a lot of the recovery has been because of the non-stop rise in house prices, fuelled by the lack of supply. All the while there's little to no investment in roads/schools/housing/hospitals then we will struggle. I know it's a common view that "there's no space" however there was a study from the Adam Smith institute recently (I'll try and find it) which estimated that about a million new homes could be built on 3.4% of the green belt. I know we need to keep this country green and pleasant etc. etc. however that's a bloody lot of houses for not much sacrifice. I apologise profusely for a sensible post. Edited by DanH (12 Aug 2015 10.54am)
A million new homes would need schools, shops, Dr's surgeries, hospitals, roads, etc.... would you build on more of the green belt for these too?
nickgusset's suggestion to use-up properties lying empty, and brown field sites would ease matters for housing, but won't address the lack of schools, Dr's surgeries or hospitals.
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Annnnnyway. Back to the migrants in Calais; Whilst I freely admit that some of the immigrant hoard, swarm, call it what you will, are genuine cases, why did they not stop in the first safe country they came to? This question has not been answered by the left of arc. Next thing, I take it the left are not so arrogant as to believe that all are deserving cases, and that the bonhomie of benefit tourists do actually exist ? What do the left believe should be done with immigrants that rock up from countries that are not at war, not being persecuted, and just fancy some free housing and dosh ? lastly what the do the left feel about eastern European migrants who come here to work, get a E1-11 card, then jog on back to Romania have there medical treatment done over there privately costing thousands and then the NHS gets charged ? I have posed straight forward questions, that don't require long winded t***twaffle. Just questions that require an honest answer. Is mine the only computer that showed these questions? All very good ones Danny and I thought at least one of them deserved an answer.
None of the others acknowledged or addressed my concerns and it will probably be the same here.
The current government's approach, whilst it has steadied the ship in the short term has only really papered over the cracks; a lot of the recovery has been because of the non-stop rise in house prices, fuelled by the lack of supply. All the while there's little to no investment in roads/schools/housing/hospitals then we will struggle. I know it's a common view that "there's no space" however there was a study from the Adam Smith institute recently (I'll try and find it) which estimated that about a million new homes could be built on 3.4% of the green belt. I know we need to keep this country green and pleasant etc. etc. however that's a bloody lot of houses for not much sacrifice. I apologise profusely for a sensible post. Edited by DanH (12 Aug 2015 10.54am)
A million new homes would need schools, shops, Dr's surgeries, hospitals, roads, etc.... would you build on more of the green belt for these too?
nickgusset's suggestion to use-up properties lying empty, and brown field sites would ease matters for housing, but won't address the lack of schools, Dr's surgeries or hospitals.
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Keep building those machine guns though A very reasonable piece of journalism that will no doubt be savaged for being from the Independent by rabid right. But it seemed fairly balanced to me (i.e. looking beyond the hyperbole at the problem).
It's like me saying all left leaning Holers wear sandals, read the Grauniad, eat Tofu, and live in a Yurt in Islington. Jamie, your letting your usual balanced posting become ever more influenced by all things Diane Abbott. As an aside did you see the twitter ravings of that self important hypocritical pig the other day ? you talk about hyperbole, she wrote the book on it. Loathsome woman. For me rabid right are those who would reject something out of hand, without assessing it. There is looney left as well. Its a reasonable piece, in that it discusses the claim and presents a counter point and explanation and refutations. It doesn't say there isn't a problem, but that maybe the problem is overstated, how the problem occurred, how singular events aren't evidenced and how the situation maybe be exaggerated for political reasons, whilst still stating there is a problem. A mile away from the 'Sky is Falling, End of Civilisation' approach of the Tabloid media. For example that the reason that there has been a massive increase in those targeting the tunnels, stems from the security measures implemented elsewhere. In fact the left are far more likely to start with preconceived ideas. Examples are public services are better than non-public services; all immigration is beneficial; certain terrorist groups like the IRA and Hamas can be excused to some extent because we like their cause; the USA is totally evil; communism was not nearly as bad as fascism; multi-culturalism works and is beneficial; the EU is wonderful and we should stay in at all costs; we should not have sufficient armed forces and weapons to protect ourselves; we must not change anything in the NHS and continue to pour ever increasing amounts of money into it; South Africa has a wonderful government and people should keep quite about Zimbawe; people should be prosecuted and their careers ruined for making the slightest critical reference to non-heterosexuals or non-white or non-Christian people. Any evidence to the contrary concerning these attitudes is ignored by the left - ever more convoluted arguments are put forward to prop up these sacred cows. Yet you call the right narrow minded and blinkered, it is like Quasimodo telling you that you have rounded shoulders. Edited by leggedstruggle (12 Aug 2015 10.54am) Ah, and there in lies your problem, I was referring to some of the right, not all of the right wingers, as rabid. Not everyone who's right wing is wrong, disagreeable or without reason. Only some, who's response typically is excessive, disproportionate and personally directed. Usually they're the kind of people who don't actually assess what people say, and instead decide what they mean based on their preconceptions and prejudices, rather than what the other person as said or read. The kind of people who see a word and react, rather than see the context and respond. We could substitute the word 'left' in place of the word 'right' in your post and it would be just as valid. I do accept that your good self does surprise now and again when you certainly do go against the left-wing grain, no doubt to the chagrin of the more doctrinaire lefties on here. (I'll ignore the penultimate paragraph that is presumably aimed at me! Even though is could be construed as 'personally directed'.)
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Annnnnyway. Back to the migrants in Calais; Whilst I freely admit that some of the immigrant hoard, swarm, call it what you will, are genuine cases, why did they not stop in the first safe country they came to? This question has not been answered by the left of arc. Next thing, I take it the left are not so arrogant as to believe that all are deserving cases, and that the bonhomie of benefit tourists do actually exist ? What do the left believe should be done with immigrants that rock up from countries that are not at war, not being persecuted, and just fancy some free housing and dosh ? lastly what the do the left feel about eastern European migrants who come here to work, get a E1-11 card, then jog on back to Romania have there medical treatment done over there privately costing thousands and then the NHS gets charged ? I have posed straight forward questions, that don't require long winded t***twaffle. Just questions that require an honest answer. Is mine the only computer that showed these questions? All very good ones Danny and I thought at least one of them deserved an answer.
None of the others acknowledged or addressed my concerns and it will probably be the same here.
The current government's approach, whilst it has steadied the ship in the short term has only really papered over the cracks; a lot of the recovery has been because of the non-stop rise in house prices, fuelled by the lack of supply. All the while there's little to no investment in roads/schools/housing/hospitals then we will struggle. I know it's a common view that "there's no space" however there was a study from the Adam Smith institute recently (I'll try and find it) which estimated that about a million new homes could be built on 3.4% of the green belt. I know we need to keep this country green and pleasant etc. etc. however that's a bloody lot of houses for not much sacrifice. I apologise profusely for a sensible post. Edited by DanH (12 Aug 2015 10.54am)
A million new homes would need schools, shops, Dr's surgeries, hospitals, roads, etc.... would you build on more of the green belt for these too?
nickgusset's suggestion to use-up properties lying empty, and brown field sites would ease matters for housing, but won't address the lack of schools, Dr's surgeries or hospitals.
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Annnnnyway. Back to the migrants in Calais; Whilst I freely admit that some of the immigrant hoard, swarm, call it what you will, are genuine cases, why did they not stop in the first safe country they came to? This question has not been answered by the left of arc. Next thing, I take it the left are not so arrogant as to believe that all are deserving cases, and that the bonhomie of benefit tourists do actually exist ? What do the left believe should be done with immigrants that rock up from countries that are not at war, not being persecuted, and just fancy some free housing and dosh ? lastly what the do the left feel about eastern European migrants who come here to work, get a E1-11 card, then jog on back to Romania have there medical treatment done over there privately costing thousands and then the NHS gets charged ? I have posed straight forward questions, that don't require long winded t***twaffle. Just questions that require an honest answer. Is mine the only computer that showed these questions? All very good ones Danny and I thought at least one of them deserved an answer.
None of the others acknowledged or addressed my concerns and it will probably be the same here.
The current government's approach, whilst it has steadied the ship in the short term has only really papered over the cracks; a lot of the recovery has been because of the non-stop rise in house prices, fuelled by the lack of supply. All the while there's little to no investment in roads/schools/housing/hospitals then we will struggle. I know it's a common view that "there's no space" however there was a study from the Adam Smith institute recently (I'll try and find it) which estimated that about a million new homes could be built on 3.4% of the green belt. I know we need to keep this country green and pleasant etc. etc. however that's a bloody lot of houses for not much sacrifice. I apologise profusely for a sensible post. Edited by DanH (12 Aug 2015 10.54am)
A million new homes would need schools, shops, Dr's surgeries, hospitals, roads, etc.... would you build on more of the green belt for these too?
nickgusset's suggestion to use-up properties lying empty, and brown field sites would ease matters for housing, but won't address the lack of schools, Dr's surgeries or hospitals.
Once built on, farmland is lost forever.
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