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Quote Johnny Eagles at 11 May 2015 10.51am
I don't agree that Britain has "turned right". But - without wishing to get involved with all the sniping (can we not give that a rest now please? I find it very tiresome) - I think the election proves that Britain will simply not elect a leftist party. Labour chose Foot over Healey and failed in 1983. Kinnock's "alternative" (despite moving rightwards as time went on) was roundly defeated in 1987 and 1992. Blair won elections for Labour because he recognised that people are happy for you to spunk money as long as you get the right tone on business and aspiration. The Greens are as left-wing as they come. Even in a PR system they get about 25 seats. UKIP would get 82. Labour used to get in because a lot of people had socialist views. But the country has moved on. It is more prosperous. It is more consumerist. Apart from a small fringe (not more than 5-10%) it is not interested in the tired old lefty tropes of bashing the rich and class war. The old Left is on its way out. It needs to reinvent itself if it wants to survive.
I would suggest that there is still an immense sense of fair play and enthusiasm for social kindness which pervades in these Islands that the Left need to concentrate on without somehow giving the general population the willies. Because that is where the Tories usually fall down. Their default position since I can remember is to punish the poor for some reason and reward the already well off whilst trying not to piss off Middle England too much. Blair was, to be fair, excellent at recognising the need to get the right of centre onside. The Labour Party need a clone of him back but without the bare-faced lying, spin and the egotistical need to be seen as some kind of male Margaret Thatcher.
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Tom-the-eagle  Croydon 11 May 15 11.16am |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 11 May 2015 10.51am
I don't agree that Britain has "turned right". But - without wishing to get involved with all the sniping (can we not give that a rest now please? I find it very tiresome) - I think the election proves that Britain will simply not elect a leftist party. Labour chose Foot over Healey and failed in 1983. Kinnock's "alternative" (despite moving rightwards as time went on) was roundly defeated in 1987 and 1992. Blair won elections for Labour because he recognised that people are happy for you to spunk money as long as you get the right tone on business and aspiration. The Greens are as left-wing as they come. Even in a PR system they get about 25 seats. UKIP would get 82. Labour used to get in because a lot of people had socialist views. But the country has moved on. It is more prosperous. It is more consumerist. Apart from a small fringe (not more than 5-10%) it is not interested in the tired old lefty tropes of bashing the rich and class war. The old Left is on its way out. It needs to reinvent itself if it wants to survive. Great post and just about (in my opinion) nails it.
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| Hoof Hearted 11 May 15 11.21am | |
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Quote Kermit8 at 11 May 2015 11.16am
Quote Johnny Eagles at 11 May 2015 10.51am
I don't agree that Britain has "turned right". But - without wishing to get involved with all the sniping (can we not give that a rest now please? I find it very tiresome) - I think the election proves that Britain will simply not elect a leftist party. Labour chose Foot over Healey and failed in 1983. Kinnock's "alternative" (despite moving rightwards as time went on) was roundly defeated in 1987 and 1992. Blair won elections for Labour because he recognised that people are happy for you to spunk money as long as you get the right tone on business and aspiration. The Greens are as left-wing as they come. Even in a PR system they get about 25 seats. UKIP would get 82. Labour used to get in because a lot of people had socialist views. But the country has moved on. It is more prosperous. It is more consumerist. Apart from a small fringe (not more than 5-10%) it is not interested in the tired old lefty tropes of bashing the rich and class war. The old Left is on its way out. It needs to reinvent itself if it wants to survive.
I would suggest that there is still an immense sense of fair play and enthusiasm for social kindness which pervades in these Islands that the Left need to concentrate on without somehow giving the general population the willies. Because that is where the Tories usually fall down. Their default position since I can remember is to punish the poor for some reason and reward the already well off whilst trying not to piss off Middle England too much. Blair was, to be fair, excellent at recognising the need to get the right of centre onside. The Labour Party need a clone of him back but without the bare-faced lying, spin and the egotistical need to be seen as some kind of male Margaret Thatcher.
You're my favourite "lefty" on here.
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| DanH SW2 11 May 15 12.03pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 11 May 2015 11.16am
Quote Johnny Eagles at 11 May 2015 10.51am
I don't agree that Britain has "turned right". But - without wishing to get involved with all the sniping (can we not give that a rest now please? I find it very tiresome) - I think the election proves that Britain will simply not elect a leftist party. Labour chose Foot over Healey and failed in 1983. Kinnock's "alternative" (despite moving rightwards as time went on) was roundly defeated in 1987 and 1992. Blair won elections for Labour because he recognised that people are happy for you to spunk money as long as you get the right tone on business and aspiration. The Greens are as left-wing as they come. Even in a PR system they get about 25 seats. UKIP would get 82. Labour used to get in because a lot of people had socialist views. But the country has moved on. It is more prosperous. It is more consumerist. Apart from a small fringe (not more than 5-10%) it is not interested in the tired old lefty tropes of bashing the rich and class war. The old Left is on its way out. It needs to reinvent itself if it wants to survive.
I would suggest that there is still an immense sense of fair play and enthusiasm for social kindness which pervades in these Islands that the Left need to concentrate on without somehow giving the general population the willies. Because that is where the Tories usually fall down. Their default position since I can remember is to punish the poor for some reason and reward the already well off whilst trying not to piss off Middle England too much. Blair was, to be fair, excellent at recognising the need to get the right of centre onside. The Labour Party need a clone of him back but without the bare-faced lying, spin and the egotistical need to be seen as some kind of male Margaret Thatcher.
I'd just likely a government that builds policies based on evidence rather than political ideals.
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| derben 11 May 15 12.08pm |
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Quote DanH at 11 May 2015 12.03pm
Quote Kermit8 at 11 May 2015 11.16am
Quote Johnny Eagles at 11 May 2015 10.51am
I don't agree that Britain has "turned right". But - without wishing to get involved with all the sniping (can we not give that a rest now please? I find it very tiresome) - I think the election proves that Britain will simply not elect a leftist party. Labour chose Foot over Healey and failed in 1983. Kinnock's "alternative" (despite moving rightwards as time went on) was roundly defeated in 1987 and 1992. Blair won elections for Labour because he recognised that people are happy for you to spunk money as long as you get the right tone on business and aspiration. The Greens are as left-wing as they come. Even in a PR system they get about 25 seats. UKIP would get 82. Labour used to get in because a lot of people had socialist views. But the country has moved on. It is more prosperous. It is more consumerist. Apart from a small fringe (not more than 5-10%) it is not interested in the tired old lefty tropes of bashing the rich and class war. The old Left is on its way out. It needs to reinvent itself if it wants to survive.
I would suggest that there is still an immense sense of fair play and enthusiasm for social kindness which pervades in these Islands that the Left need to concentrate on without somehow giving the general population the willies. Because that is where the Tories usually fall down. Their default position since I can remember is to punish the poor for some reason and reward the already well off whilst trying not to piss off Middle England too much. Blair was, to be fair, excellent at recognising the need to get the right of centre onside. The Labour Party need a clone of him back but without the bare-faced lying, spin and the egotistical need to be seen as some kind of male Margaret Thatcher.
I'd just likely a government that builds policies based on evidence rather than political ideals. From what he is saying, sounds like Kermit is going to stand!
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johnno42000  11 May 15 1.16pm |
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Long live the Apathy Party, or not, who cares? 'if all the people who didn’t vote this year had united and voted for one ‘Apathy Party’, it would have had a majority in the Commons:' Edited by johnno42000 (11 May 2015 1.17pm) Edited by johnno42000 (11 May 2015 1.36pm)
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Quote DanH at 11 May 2015 12.03pm
Quote Kermit8 at 11 May 2015 11.16am
Quote Johnny Eagles at 11 May 2015 10.51am
I don't agree that Britain has "turned right". But - without wishing to get involved with all the sniping (can we not give that a rest now please? I find it very tiresome) - I think the election proves that Britain will simply not elect a leftist party. Labour chose Foot over Healey and failed in 1983. Kinnock's "alternative" (despite moving rightwards as time went on) was roundly defeated in 1987 and 1992. Blair won elections for Labour because he recognised that people are happy for you to spunk money as long as you get the right tone on business and aspiration. The Greens are as left-wing as they come. Even in a PR system they get about 25 seats. UKIP would get 82. Labour used to get in because a lot of people had socialist views. But the country has moved on. It is more prosperous. It is more consumerist. Apart from a small fringe (not more than 5-10%) it is not interested in the tired old lefty tropes of bashing the rich and class war. The old Left is on its way out. It needs to reinvent itself if it wants to survive.
I would suggest that there is still an immense sense of fair play and enthusiasm for social kindness which pervades in these Islands that the Left need to concentrate on without somehow giving the general population the willies. Because that is where the Tories usually fall down. Their default position since I can remember is to punish the poor for some reason and reward the already well off whilst trying not to piss off Middle England too much. Blair was, to be fair, excellent at recognising the need to get the right of centre onside. The Labour Party need a clone of him back but without the bare-faced lying, spin and the egotistical need to be seen as some kind of male Margaret Thatcher.
I'd just likely a government that builds policies based on evidence rather than political ideals.
I listened to Ed (though didn't vote for him), as he seemed honest and honorable, I listened to David M because he seemed to know what he was doing, Chukka just makes me think he's up to something
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 11 May 15 1.28pm |
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Quote DanH at 11 May 2015 12.03pm
I'd just likely a government that builds policies based on evidence rather than political ideals.
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. |
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| SwalecliffeEagle Swalecliffe 11 May 15 1.35pm |
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Quote npn at 11 May 2015 1.25pm
Quote DanH at 11 May 2015 12.03pm
Quote Kermit8 at 11 May 2015 11.16am
Quote Johnny Eagles at 11 May 2015 10.51am
I don't agree that Britain has "turned right". But - without wishing to get involved with all the sniping (can we not give that a rest now please? I find it very tiresome) - I think the election proves that Britain will simply not elect a leftist party. Labour chose Foot over Healey and failed in 1983. Kinnock's "alternative" (despite moving rightwards as time went on) was roundly defeated in 1987 and 1992. Blair won elections for Labour because he recognised that people are happy for you to spunk money as long as you get the right tone on business and aspiration. The Greens are as left-wing as they come. Even in a PR system they get about 25 seats. UKIP would get 82. Labour used to get in because a lot of people had socialist views. But the country has moved on. It is more prosperous. It is more consumerist. Apart from a small fringe (not more than 5-10%) it is not interested in the tired old lefty tropes of bashing the rich and class war. The old Left is on its way out. It needs to reinvent itself if it wants to survive.
I would suggest that there is still an immense sense of fair play and enthusiasm for social kindness which pervades in these Islands that the Left need to concentrate on without somehow giving the general population the willies. Because that is where the Tories usually fall down. Their default position since I can remember is to punish the poor for some reason and reward the already well off whilst trying not to piss off Middle England too much. Blair was, to be fair, excellent at recognising the need to get the right of centre onside. The Labour Party need a clone of him back but without the bare-faced lying, spin and the egotistical need to be seen as some kind of male Margaret Thatcher.
I'd just likely a government that builds policies based on evidence rather than political ideals.
I listened to Ed (though didn't vote for him), as he seemed honest and honorable, I listened to David M because he seemed to know what he was doing, Chukka just makes me think he's up to something
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 May 15 4.21pm |
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The media are saying labour need to move central to win more votes. The media would love labour to get even more Tory lite. I'd love labour to move left. People will be (even more) sick of cuts and poverty in 5 years. The most successful party fought an anti austerity campaign and nearly swept the boards. I wonder why?
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| derben 11 May 15 4.22pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 11 May 2015 4.21pm
The media are saying labour need to move central to win more votes. The media would love labour to get even more Tory lite. I'd love labour to move left. People will be (even more) sick of cuts and poverty in 5 years. The most successful party fought an anti austerity campaign and nearly swept the boards. I wonder why? Could it be something to do with Scottish Nationalism? Perhaps they should rename themselves National Socialist?
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| Hoof Hearted 11 May 15 4.28pm | |
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Quote nickgusset at 11 May 2015 4.21pm
The media are saying labour need to move central to win more votes. The media would love labour to get even more Tory lite. I'd love labour to move left. People will be (even more) sick of cuts and poverty in 5 years. The most successful party fought an anti austerity campaign and nearly swept the boards. I wonder why?
They were 3rd in number of seats and 6th in vote share!
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