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TUX redhill 09 Jun 15 8.59pm
Quote derben at 09 Jun 2015 8.46pm Quote TUX at 09 Jun 2015 8.37pm Quote derben at 09 Jun 2015 7.15pm Quote TUX at 09 Jun 2015 6.51pm Quote nickgusset at 08 Jun 2015 9.56pm Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.45pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 9.40pm Quote TUX at 08 Jun 2015 9.19pm Quote legaleagle at 08 Jun 2015 8.58pm USA and UK in a supporting role,having decided in the 1920's to sacrifice its alliance with Japan for its newer alliance with the USA and so supporting the squeeze on Japan's access to sorely needed raw materials.Not sure Japan was a wholly innocent and "put upon" party though. Why? Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same? The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913. UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then. Japan needed raw materials for industrial growth and was perceived as a growing competitor economically by the US and UK in Asia. Japan also needed raw materials to support its own imperialist designs in China. Not sure Japanese invasion of China (place not known for raw materials) and brutality there against local population can solely be attributed to Japan being squeezed.Nor Japan's ongoing occupation of Korea as a quasi colony. Precisely. The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it. I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to the second gulf war, Iraq wanted to change trading in dollars for oil to the euro which was why the Americans went in. The Federal Reserve (a privately owned bank that has no regard for anyone let alone the American people) cannot and will not allow oil/gold be traded under any other currency hence the many 'phoney wars'. They will fight to the death (other poor souls deaths, never theirs) to keep robbing the world as the dollar would collapse. The Fed need this to continue printing money that they don't have. They've been doing it since the end of WW2. JFK's assassination after he passed a bill (11110) for a new currency for the 'USA and it's people' equally shows this. The US leads the world on nothing other than military supremacy. Coincidence? JFK was shot on the orders of the Federal Reserve then; oh and Japan was reluctantly dragged into WW2 by the USA. You are entertaining, give you that. Japan was provoked. JFK was a problem. I could go further and mention the unwarranted(WTF!) Federal collection of gold placed on the US citizens back in the day but hey, i'll save that for my next draft. I'm always happy to entertain the blinkered Clearly then, General Sadao Araki was provoked into saying, "It is Japan's mission to be supreme in Asia, the South Seas and eventually the four corners of the world." Did the communist, Lee Harvey Oswald, take his orders direct from the Federal Reserve? (but of course you will say he didn't do it - more conspiracy). General Araki was free to say whatever the hell he wanted to. Just like you and I. Who pulled the trigger is irrelevant as someone had to do it for the FED to continue their monopoly. Ask yourself why the US is such a great power despite basically offering nothing to the world as a whole apart from guns....some bigger guns....biggerer guns....etc. Any time that someone wants to put an end to the Federal Reserve Dollar they're either shot or a war happens. Why? Edited by TUX (09 Jun 2015 9.01pm)
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USA and UK in a supporting role,having decided in the 1920's to sacrifice its alliance with Japan for its newer alliance with the USA and so supporting the squeeze on Japan's access to sorely needed raw materials.Not sure Japan was a wholly innocent and "put upon" party though.

Why?
Someone who is being 'squeezed to death' for no apparent reason fights back. I'm sure we'd both do the same?
The Federal Reserve was formed in 1913.

UK and Japan were in a formal alliance until the 20'S.No clash between UK's Japan interests and UK's USA interests until then.

Japan needed raw materials for industrial growth and was perceived as a growing competitor economically by the US and UK in Asia. Japan also needed raw materials to support its own imperialist designs in China.

Not sure Japanese invasion of China (place not known for raw materials) and brutality there against local population can solely be attributed to Japan being squeezed.Nor Japan's ongoing occupation of Korea as a quasi colony.

Precisely.
The US/Federal Reserve didn't like it.

I'm sure I read somewhere that prior to the second gulf war, Iraq wanted to change trading in dollars for oil to the euro which was why the Americans went in.

The Federal Reserve (a privately owned bank that has no regard for anyone let alone the American people) cannot and will not allow oil/gold be traded under any other currency hence the many 'phoney wars'. They will fight to the death (other poor souls deaths, never theirs) to keep robbing the world as the dollar would collapse. The Fed need this to continue printing money that they don't have. They've been doing it since the end of WW2. JFK's assassination after he passed a bill (11110) for a new currency for the 'USA and it's people' equally shows this.
The US leads the world on nothing other than military supremacy.

Coincidence?

JFK was shot on the orders of the Federal Reserve then; oh and Japan was reluctantly dragged into WW2 by the USA. You are entertaining, give you that.

Japan was provoked.
JFK was a problem.
I could go further and mention the unwarranted(WTF!) Federal collection of gold placed on the US citizens back in the day but hey, i'll save that for my next draft.

I'm always happy to entertain the blinkered

Clearly then, General Sadao Araki was provoked into saying, "It is Japan's mission to be supreme in Asia, the South Seas and eventually the four corners of the world."

Did the communist, Lee Harvey Oswald, take his orders direct from the Federal Reserve? (but of course you will say he didn't do it - more conspiracy).

General Araki was free to say whatever the hell he wanted to. Just like you and I.
Who pulled the trigger is irrelevant as someone had to do it for the FED to continue their monopoly.
Ask yourself why the US is such a great power despite basically offering nothing to the world as a whole apart from guns....some bigger guns....biggerer guns....etc.
Any time that someone wants to put an end to the Federal Reserve Dollar they're either shot or a war happens.
Why?

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 10 Jun 15 12.10pm
how wonderfully naive (not to mention complete and utter conspiracey theory cobblers). I havent trawled through your posts but reading that one as a one off, have you preached near finsbury Park ? "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 10 Jun 15 12.10pm

how wonderfully naive (not to mention complete and utter conspiracey theory cobblers).

I havent trawled through your posts but reading that one as a one off, have you preached near finsbury Park ?

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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johnno42000 25 Jul 15 6.33pm
Now that Turkey is getting involved does that mean it is only a matter of time before we have to become more involved? I do wonder why they have attacked the Kurds as well as Isis though. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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25 Jul 15 6.33pm

Now that Turkey is getting involved does that mean it is only a matter of time before we have to become more involved? I do wonder why they have attacked the Kurds as well as Isis though.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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legaleagle 25 Jul 15 6.38pm
Because blasting the Kurds is what they've been doling for decades.
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25 Jul 15 6.38pm

Because blasting the Kurds is what they've been doling for decades.

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johnno42000 25 Jul 15 6.49pm
Quote legaleagle at 25 Jul 2015 6.38pm Because blasting the Kurds is what they've been doling for decades. I realise they have been attacking them for years. I thought there was an unofficial cease fire whilst the Kurds were fighting ISIS. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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Quote legaleagle at 25 Jul 2015 6.38pm

Because blasting the Kurds is what they've been doling for decades.

I realise they have been attacking them for years. I thought there was an unofficial cease fire whilst the Kurds were fighting ISIS.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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Stirlingsays 25 Jul 15 6.59pm
Apparently two Turk Policemen were killed by the PKK. The PM thinks he has to be more hardline to regain his popularity. I'm not sure attacking the PKK is sensible though. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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25 Jul 15 6.59pm

Apparently two Turk Policemen were killed by the PKK.

The PM thinks he has to be more hardline to regain his popularity.

I'm not sure attacking the PKK is sensible though.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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legaleagle 25 Jul 15 8.13pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 6.59pm Apparently two Turk Policemen were killed by the PKK. The PM thinks he has to be more hardline to regain his popularity. I'm not sure attacking the PKK is sensible though. Seems the police were killed in retaliation for a suicide bombing a few days earlier by someone sympathetic to ISIS which killed 30, and which the PKK believed the Turkish security services had been complicit in.Until this week,Turkey's record seemed to veer somewhat more to a pro-ISIS stance,given their opposition to the Kurds and Assad;my enemies' enemy being my friend. Edited by legaleagle (25 Jul 2015 8.15pm)
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Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 6.59pm

Apparently two Turk Policemen were killed by the PKK.

The PM thinks he has to be more hardline to regain his popularity.

I'm not sure attacking the PKK is sensible though.

Seems the police were killed in retaliation for a suicide bombing a few days earlier by someone sympathetic to ISIS which killed 30, and which the PKK believed the Turkish security services had been complicit in.Until this week,Turkey's record seemed to veer somewhat more to a pro-ISIS stance,given their opposition to the Kurds and Assad;my enemies' enemy being my friend.

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Stirlingsays 25 Jul 15 8.26pm
Quote legaleagle at 25 Jul 2015 8.13pm Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 6.59pm Apparently two Turk Policemen were killed by the PKK. The PM thinks he has to be more hardline to regain his popularity. I'm not sure attacking the PKK is sensible though. Seems the police were killed in retaliation for a suicide bombing a few days earlier by someone sympathetic to ISIS which killed 30, and which the PKK believed the Turkish security services had been complicit in.Until this week,Turkey's record seemed to veer somewhat more to a pro-ISIS stance,given their opposition to the Kurds and Assad;my enemies' enemy being my friend. Edited by legaleagle (25 Jul 2015 8.15pm) Yeah....But where is the truth in all this. Surely Turkey aren't actually pro IS.....I mean they are attacking them as well. They appear to be obsessed with not allowing a Kurdish state in northern Syria.......I'm not sure how they can stop it unless they invade......Which would massively help IS and put them against the western and middle eastern alliance fighting IS. I can see both IS and Assad losing in the end.....But I'm not sure what Syria is going to look like in the end. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2015 8.26pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote legaleagle at 25 Jul 2015 8.13pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 6.59pm

Apparently two Turk Policemen were killed by the PKK.

The PM thinks he has to be more hardline to regain his popularity.

I'm not sure attacking the PKK is sensible though.

Edited by legaleagle (25 Jul 2015 8.15pm)

Yeah....But where is the truth in all this.

Surely Turkey aren't actually pro IS.....I mean they are attacking them as well.

They appear to be obsessed with not allowing a Kurdish state in northern Syria.......I'm not sure how they can stop it unless they invade......Which would massively help IS and put them against the western and middle eastern alliance fighting IS.

I can see both IS and Assad losing in the end.....But I'm not sure what Syria is going to look like in the end.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2015 8.26pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 25 Jul 15 9.04pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 8.26pm Quote legaleagle at 25 Jul 2015 8.13pm Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 6.59pm Apparently two Turk Policemen were killed by the PKK. The PM thinks he has to be more hardline to regain his popularity. I'm not sure attacking the PKK is sensible though. Seems the police were killed in retaliation for a suicide bombing a few days earlier by someone sympathetic to ISIS which killed 30, and which the PKK believed the Turkish security services had been complicit in.Until this week,Turkey's record seemed to veer somewhat more to a pro-ISIS stance,given their opposition to the Kurds and Assad;my enemies' enemy being my friend. Edited by legaleagle (25 Jul 2015 8.15pm) Yeah....But where is the truth in all this. Surely Turkey aren't actually pro IS.....I mean they are attacking them as well. They appear to be obsessed with not allowing a Kurdish state in northern Syria.......I'm not sure how they can stop it unless they invade......Which would massively help IS and put them against the western and middle eastern alliance fighting IS. I can see both IS and Assad losing in the end.....But I'm not sure what Syria is going to look like in the end. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2015 8.26pm) A McDonald's drive through "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 25 Jul 15 9.04pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 8.26pm

Quote legaleagle at 25 Jul 2015 8.13pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 6.59pm

Apparently two Turk Policemen were killed by the PKK.

The PM thinks he has to be more hardline to regain his popularity.

I'm not sure attacking the PKK is sensible though.

Edited by legaleagle (25 Jul 2015 8.15pm)

Yeah....But where is the truth in all this.

Surely Turkey aren't actually pro IS.....I mean they are attacking them as well.

I can see both IS and Assad losing in the end.....But I'm not sure what Syria is going to look like in the end.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2015 8.26pm)

A McDonald's drive through

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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legaleagle 25 Jul 15 10.10pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 8.26pm Quote legaleagle at 25 Jul 2015 8.13pm Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 6.59pm Apparently two Turk Policemen were killed by the PKK. The PM thinks he has to be more hardline to regain his popularity. I'm not sure attacking the PKK is sensible though. Seems the police were killed in retaliation for a suicide bombing a few days earlier by someone sympathetic to ISIS which killed 30, and which the PKK believed the Turkish security services had been complicit in.Until this week,Turkey's record seemed to veer somewhat more to a pro-ISIS stance,given their opposition to the Kurds and Assad;my enemies' enemy being my friend. Edited by legaleagle (25 Jul 2015 8.15pm) Yeah....But where is the truth in all this. Surely Turkey aren't actually pro IS.....I mean they are attacking them as well. They appear to be obsessed with not allowing a Kurdish state in northern Syria.......I'm not sure how they can stop it unless they invade......Which would massively help IS and put them against the western and middle eastern alliance fighting IS. I can see both IS and Assad losing in the end.....But I'm not sure what Syria is going to look like in the end. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2015 8.26pm) The Americans have been leaning on Turkey to get involved against ISIS for months. The Turkish are now (having been kicking and screaming) bombing ISIS,after standing idly by when Kobane was getting attacked within sight of the border,letting wounded ISIS fighters be sent for treatment in Turkey and turning a blind eye to the border being porous in the other direction..how do you think so many foreigners have got into the ISIS areas through Turkey? I presume there's now been a deal with the US..with the losers,as usual, being the Turkish Kurds... Edited by legaleagle (25 Jul 2015 10.12pm)
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25 Jul 15 10.10pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 8.26pm

Quote legaleagle at 25 Jul 2015 8.13pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 6.59pm

Apparently two Turk Policemen were killed by the PKK.

The PM thinks he has to be more hardline to regain his popularity.

I'm not sure attacking the PKK is sensible though.

Edited by legaleagle (25 Jul 2015 8.15pm)

Yeah....But where is the truth in all this.

Surely Turkey aren't actually pro IS.....I mean they are attacking them as well.

I can see both IS and Assad losing in the end.....But I'm not sure what Syria is going to look like in the end.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2015 8.26pm)

The Americans have been leaning on Turkey to get involved against ISIS for months.

The Turkish are now (having been kicking and screaming) bombing ISIS,after standing idly by when Kobane was getting attacked within sight of the border,letting wounded ISIS fighters be sent for treatment in Turkey and turning a blind eye to the border being porous in the other direction..how do you think so many foreigners have got into the ISIS areas through Turkey?

I presume there's now been a deal with the US..with the losers,as usual, being the Turkish Kurds...

Edited by legaleagle (25 Jul 2015 10.12pm)

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Stirlingsays 25 Jul 15 10.56pm
Quote legaleagle at 25 Jul 2015 10.10pm Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 8.26pm Quote legaleagle at 25 Jul 2015 8.13pm Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 6.59pm Apparently two Turk Policemen were killed by the PKK. The PM thinks he has to be more hardline to regain his popularity. I'm not sure attacking the PKK is sensible though. Seems the police were killed in retaliation for a suicide bombing a few days earlier by someone sympathetic to ISIS which killed 30, and which the PKK believed the Turkish security services had been complicit in.Until this week,Turkey's record seemed to veer somewhat more to a pro-ISIS stance,given their opposition to the Kurds and Assad;my enemies' enemy being my friend. Edited by legaleagle (25 Jul 2015 8.15pm) Yeah....But where is the truth in all this. Surely Turkey aren't actually pro IS.....I mean they are attacking them as well. They appear to be obsessed with not allowing a Kurdish state in northern Syria.......I'm not sure how they can stop it unless they invade......Which would massively help IS and put them against the western and middle eastern alliance fighting IS. I can see both IS and Assad losing in the end.....But I'm not sure what Syria is going to look like in the end. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2015 8.26pm) The Americans have been leaning on Turkey to get involved against ISIS for months. The Turkish are now (having been kicking and screaming) bombing ISIS,after standing idly by when Kobane was getting attacked within sight of the border,letting wounded ISIS fighters be sent for treatment in Turkey and turning a blind eye to the border being porous in the other direction..how do you think so many foreigners have got into the ISIS areas through Turkey? I presume there's now been a deal with the US..with the losers,as usual, being the Turkish Kurds... Edited by legaleagle (25 Jul 2015 10.12pm) I'm not so sure about a deal. The Kurds won't fight beyond the canton if the US are going to f*ck them. And Turkey aren't going to invade Syria and fight all the groups within it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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25 Jul 15 10.56pm

Quote legaleagle at 25 Jul 2015 10.10pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 8.26pm

Quote legaleagle at 25 Jul 2015 8.13pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 6.59pm

Apparently two Turk Policemen were killed by the PKK.

The PM thinks he has to be more hardline to regain his popularity.

I'm not sure attacking the PKK is sensible though.

Edited by legaleagle (25 Jul 2015 8.15pm)

Yeah....But where is the truth in all this.

Surely Turkey aren't actually pro IS.....I mean they are attacking them as well.

I can see both IS and Assad losing in the end.....But I'm not sure what Syria is going to look like in the end.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2015 8.26pm)

The Americans have been leaning on Turkey to get involved against ISIS for months.

I presume there's now been a deal with the US..with the losers,as usual, being the Turkish Kurds...

Edited by legaleagle (25 Jul 2015 10.12pm)

I'm not so sure about a deal.

The Kurds won't fight beyond the canton if the US are going to f*ck them.

And Turkey aren't going to invade Syria and fight all the groups within it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 27 Jul 15 8.25am
Turkey is a member of NATO ffs. It's about time they started behaving like one.
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Turkey is a member of NATO ffs.

It's about time they started behaving like one.

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