1. Agree with this. I just read a journalist who pointed out that whilst it was obvious that Trump had hidden the hush money in the accounts there was next to zero proof that this was an electoral violation or intent to defraud the voters.

If you follow this logic then every time a politician makes a campaign promise they do not keep they should be prosecuted.

2. I first heard of Trump back in the Eighties all the New Yorkers I met hated him but at that time he wasn't even a national figure. This was no better than a Stalinist show trial. He is such a divisive character I don't believe you could find 12 New Yorkers who do not have an opinion on him.

3. Funny how Stormy Daniels has been allowed to sail through this by the media and has even made money with interviews and her own fly on the wall documentary.

At the end of the day you could argue what she blackmailed Trump and there is more evidence of that then any electoral wrong doing on his part.

However she seems to have been given a free pass unlike the many Clinton women who were ruthlessly pursued by the media and accused of being liars.

Evidence of accounting fraud yes, evidence of electoral fraud "you cannot be serious" as another New Yorker might say.

One more point

I am not at all shocked.

I followed the arguments on a daily basis. He was very clearly guilty but beyond that his defence team were very poor and mounted a very stupid line. Attacking Cohen was silly. His testimony, although lengthy, was only to corroborate others. That he is flawed was never in doubt and not an issue. Their attack should have been to cause doubt about what Trump’s motives were in paying the money to Cohen, but they hardly mentioned it. He could have got away with it via reasonable doubt, but he didn’t.

That was Trump’s own fault. He chose a poor team. Not for the first time. There will be an appeal, but you cannot appeal about your own stupidity or the decision of the jury based on the evidence they have been given. You can only appeal on matters of law, and there are some that could yet mean an appeal court ordering a retrial. I doubt though that they would just overturn the conviction. A retrial order would be enough, because it is unlikely to happen.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

They were back quickly which was slightly surprising - anyone who's done jury service will know it's not easy to get 12 people to agree on very much let alone 34 different counts. But maybe the evidence presented was overwhelming.
Britain's involvement in Vietnam was a bit murky and while Wilson did keep us from direct action there is evidence that both Conservative and Labour governments lied to parliament about our level of involvement in different areas.

Sell dollar, buy gold

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Trump has shortened from evens to 10/11, Biden remains at 6/4

Last election I did quite well, I cashed in first bet when Trump was looking likely to win then put the winnings on Biden when it looked like there was some unusual activity towards the end of the process

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

so they claimed

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.